On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Axel Wagner wrote:
> > By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in 
> > gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also 
> > discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another 
> > flame war :)
> 
> If you don't want to discuss your statement, you should have omitted
> it in the first place, because it obviously is no contribution to the 
> discussion.


Disagree. His statement is very clear. I guess everyone who has
followed the development of G3 is well aware of the - let's say -
disagreements that have poped up continuously.

If you are asking for another flame war, you can have it.

> > Of course I have no real numbers! What I've said is just my personal 
> > opinion, based on that I've seen a lot of flame wars about GNOME 3 on 
> > the web, and a non-zero count of forks/derivatives of GNOME 3 all aiming 
> > at providing a "more classic" environment (MATE, Cinnamon, Consort, 
> > Budgie).
> 
> Your personal opinion is certainly not an argument that needs to be
> taken into consideration for deciding on a default for debian,
> especially if it is formed on such dubious grounds.

So *your* personal opinion is any better?

> > I don't want to discuss the specific usability aspects of GNOME 3, but 
> > note there are NO such flame wars about XFCE :)
> 
> I am unsure about this statement, but if it is, I think this might very
> well be more a reflection on the people who started those flames and
> forks, than on any technical merrits XFCE might have over GNOME.

So what do you want to say? I guess a simple "google-that-for-me"
should show you thousands of flame-war like threads, blogs, whatever
discussing the (de-)merits of G3.

Now, tell me something similar from XFCE?

And finally, let me know he is discussing *personal* opinions?

Norbert

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