On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:05:59 +0100, Christian Seiler <christ...@iwakd.de> wrote: >Yes, especially since autoremovals are not instantaneous, but for >packages with rdeps (and the rdeps themselves) will happen at >least 30 days in the future - and you will get an email in time. >(For packages without rdeps it's 15 days. Plus IIRC a week delay >after a bug was initially marked RC before autoremoval is even >triggered, but I might be wrong about that last part.) > >30 days within the deep freeze should be plenty enough
I would feel a lot less uncomfortable if the teams who are using automated tools to auto-file RC bugs for third-rate policy violations which will auto-remove a (99,99% of the cases) perfectly working package from testing in a time where a maintainer would probably not dare to touch his maintainer scripts for fear of creating a really RC bug which will in turn get the package auto-removed from testing would refrain from doing their auto-foo during the freeze. I do appreciate automated tests, and while I think it can be discussed whether the policy violations found by those automatic tests need to be RC, I firmly believe that these tools should not be used as a weapon against packages. >- and as I >said: if the problem is more complicated, just talk to the release >team _while the package is still in testing_. So you want people to beg if they want their packages in testing. What is that going to help, aside from demotivating and humiliating people? >The goal of autoremovals is to provide an incentive for people >to deal with problems in their packages _early_. Managerspeak. Even at work I hate people who talk about giving "incentives" while they actually threaten. >And as I said previously: if a maintainer of a dependency of yours >doesn't care: NMUs for RC bugs have a far lower threshold - even >0-day NMUs are possible if the maintainer is really completely >asleep. (DevRef 5.11.1) So this is a method to force people to take additional responsibilities for dependencies as well in addition to the responsibilities they have taken voluntarily? Well, _this_ will clearly motivate people. Greetings Ma "not." rc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834