Hello, Am 15.05.2017 um 21:45 schrieb Zlatan Todoric: > > > On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >>> On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> wrote: >>>> TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned >>>> on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more >>>> informative and less heavy on the marketing. >>>> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of >>> improvement in the marketing side. >>> Modern and fancy things. >>> >>> The LXDE example is good on that. >> http://lxde.org/ seems to be the site in question. I agree with Paul, >> I don't like it, and when I encounter pages in that style, I tend to >> close the window. > > Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as > you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they probably > close the window when they see '90 style with a lot of text that > actually says nothing. We are strange with our talks last few debconfs - > we want new people but we don't want to break our precious habits nor do > we want to give freedom to others to express themselves if they don't > fit into our circle of thinking which must be the best one.
these two questions come into my mind: What does a "newcomer" expect from such a website? what do we expect from a newcomer? >> * It's not nearly information-dense enough. www.debian.org is too >> dense, but the lxde one goes too far in the other direction. >> Something in between would be good. >> >> * It's hard for me to navigate or to find anything. It has a short >> one-sentence summary ("Desktop environment for all"), but nowhere on >> the front page does it mention that it works on Linux. That >> information is probably on some other page, linked from the front >> page, but finding that is someone else's job. >> > Well Debian on its page doesn't mention it is Linux based or has Linux > kernel or at all word Linux. And short sentences are fine - no one is > forcing you to learn all plane parts and how it works to just board it > and come from point A to B. If we want users, you need to understand > that they just want a nice looking and working OS, they don't want to be > preached about it. For devs - we just need to have something like "Want > To Become Debian Developer" and link it to some good doc. > To go from user to dev is a gliding way. "Want To Become Debian Developer" is the last step for a dev not the first one. IMO We should try to differ into the different tasks for the user e.g: * Installation * Configuration * Applications * ... * How can I help * Structure of the Packages * Packaging * ... my 2 cents -- Mechtilde Stehmann ## Apache OpenOffice.org ## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows ## Debian Developer ## Loook, calender-exchange-provider, libreoffice-canzeley-client ## PGP encryption welcome ## Key-ID 0x141AAD7F
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