On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Joseph Carter wrote: > The point exactly.. If RBL or RSS blacklists someone, it's a known > spammer or a site which has refused to act against spammers abusing their > systems. In these instances, the blacklisting happens as a last resort.
But you can't keep up with the amount of spam out there. > DUL and ORBS both seem to think they need to punish anyone whose config > or origin does not meet their standards (or as someone else noted in the > case of ORBS, if they are unable to test you..) I don't know anything about DUL. ORBS lists people who run open relays, which is a known and real problem. > There are those who believe such far-reaching pre-emptive strikes against > spammers are warranted. I'm not one of them. I believe DUL and ORBS are > only making the problems worse by resorting to "fighting dirty" without > regard for the innocent users. So don't use ORBS on your machines. As for fighting dirty, I think it could also be argued that blocking relay-checks is "fighting dirty". By having an open relay, these admins cause a great deal of damage. The bandwidth that spam eats up alone every day must be immense, world wide. > These people are typified by Craig Sanders who has said on many occasions > now in several forums that people who don't like or are hurt by such > blacklists should simply get a better ISP---as if a lot of people even had > a choice! Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs right? That > sort of uncaring attitude shows exactly how unethical that view (and IMO > the people who hold it) are. I care a great deal, that's why I take a look at the greater picture. And in the long run, everybody is better off if all relays are closed. -- "Kif, if there's one thing I don't need it's your 'I don't think that's wise' attitude." --- Zap Brannigan