On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:52:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:24:35PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > *shrug* I'm unlikely to consider a quick hack done at the very last > > > minute a reliable firewalling tool. > > You don't know what I mean, so you could at least try to find out what I > > mean first or spare your judgement until it is done. > > If you do it when we're trying to finalise everything ready for release > I'm not going to be able to make a rational judgement, and I'm going to > immediately assume the lack of interest, care and time in its development > has resulted in a shoddy product that's not going to work reliably.
See, you are doing it again. You seem not to have not the slightest idea of what I am thinking of to make firewalling happen in the Hurd in a matter of days, and still you think you can already say what the result will most likely look like. > If you do a quick hack and it has a few months of use and it's found to > work adequately well, that's fine. Well, are you offering to test it? > ] But if that's what is required to get an otherwise completely functional > ] system to be rubber stamped by the release manager, I might just as > ] well waste a day or two on it, so that the other effort is saved. I am > ] prepared to talk about this again (if there is still a need) a couple > ] of weeks before the next freeze. > > That isn't the sort of attitude that results in quality software, and > it's at its least acceptable when we're talking about security tools. I agree. I prefer to not have a firewall feature at all over the quick hack I am thinking of. This gives a clear message: If you need a firewall, look somewhere else. And I don't see the problem here, really. If people find out there is no firewall, and they think they need one, they can get one elsewhere. > You're welcome to say "Hurd's ready to release now" even when it's not, > and you don't have to back it up. You're welcome to say "Debian's not > ready to release yet" the day after it releases, and you don't even have > to back that up. I don't get to do any of those things. I respect that you are doing this as the release manager, and because you think it is necessary. Thanks, Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]