Gents, I enjoy KDE5 desktop (testing / unstable) since quite some weeks now. Quite usable it is! Thanks for your efforts, I will use it, thereby helping to mature it.
Many, many, thanks. Luc 2015-10-31 14:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de>: > Am Freitag, 30. Oktober 2015, 17:57:03 CET schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder: > > Full acknowledge! > > > > I am not an early adopter. If I would be somebody who likes bleeding edge > > software with all the risks I would be using sid.I am using debian > testing > > because it is supposed to be a good compromise. > > > > I am personally not in agreement with statements like "stuff happens". > This > > "love it or leave it" attitude is preventing any continuous improvement > > discussion. And this is for sure: The release process "unstable -> > testing" > > has room for improvement. > > The *issues* are known. > > But a discussion done *here* isn´t going to change anything. > > A discussion about testing on debian-devel may lead to some changes, > especially if you would propose a constructive alternative and also offer > to > help out to make it happen. > > If you do that, first refer to old discussions about always releaseable > testing. This really is no new topic at all. > > Its a volunteer effort, so unless you volunteer to help, you can complain > as > much as you want, and it is your perfect right to do so, yet, whether > someone > else steps up to fix your complaints is *completely* out of your control. > It > is every contributor´s perfect right to choose how to allocate the time > spend > on Debian work. You have no moral right to decide on how others choose to > spend their free time. And in my view when I complain I often find myself > feeling miserable afterwards, cause I see that my complaining doesn´t > facilitiate change. > > There are only a few people doing this packaging work in their free time. > As > to my knowledge about no one is being paid for this work. From my > impressions > at DebConf I surely got that they work to with best intentions and to the > best > of their abilities. You can even just monitor #debian-qt-kde IRC channel > for a > while to see what I mean. No one intends to break anything for anyone. Yet, > its a complex matter and people do mistakes at times and due to the way > migrations of packages into testing works the results at times are > basically > unpredictable. > > From what I gathered so far, I´d even basically recommend to use unstable > for > some time at the moment, at it seems to be far less affected and fixes > seem to > come through much quicker. Then settle back to testing at another time. > > And in general if testing/unstable is too bumpy for you, use *stable* until > later. > > We are still in the development phase for next Debian stable. Debian > packagers > want to get in what they want to see in next Debian stable. Nothing has > been > frozen yet, so in case you want a slower ride: Wait longer after release of > stable till you switch to testing or unstable. > > You can still use tried and tested KDE SC 4.14 if you want it. So if it is > to > bumpy to you, use *stable*. > > That said I may probably stop discussing here again as in the time I spend > answering here I could have worked on helping the Qt/KDE team to move > forward. > I have been busy with lots of other stuff and I didn´t help much. But fully > aware of that I also didn´t complain, cause I do understand that the > current > team works to the best of their abilities and I feel gratitude for that. So > unless I see opportunities to help constructively I mostly remain quiet to > let > others do their work without urging them spend additional time with my not > so > constructive feedback. > > > And yes, before I close: Testing/unstable has been bumby in the last > months. > But the libstcd++ ABI transitions was and still is one of the biggest > transitions Debian ever had. One packager told me that the last time such a > big transition happened for KDE/Plasma was about 10 years ago. Added to > that > it wasn´t / isn´t the only transition. > > Thanks, > -- > Martin > > -- Luc Castermans mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com
