tor, 2003-01-30 kl. 11:28 skrev Morten Brix Pedersen:
> Hvordan f�r vi l�st "problemet" med at det er pakke maintainerne der
> selv skal hente debconf overs�ttelserne? Dvs., hvordan er det meningen
> at pakke maintainere skal f� besked om nye debconf-skabeloner? Jeg vil
> hellere bruge BTS til at indsende mine oversatte debconf-skabeloner
> s�l�nge der ikke er en garanti for at ddtp systemet virker i praksis
Min begrundelse for at satse p� debconf er:
* tasksel er f�rdigoversat
* debconf-overs�ttelser er allerede i brug
* det tager en vis tid f�r debconf-overs�ttelserne n�r ind i
pakkerne (af samme grund som du skriver herover). Der kan jo g�
hele og halve �r mellem visse pakker bliver opdateret. Hvis
m�let er at f� et komplet oversat system hurtigst muligt, b�r
debconf overs�ttes f�rst. Derefter pakkebeskrivelser, da de
bliver samles centralt og n�sten momentant.
Jeg har meldt mig som officiel dansk koordinator p� ddtp, hvilket giver
mig adgang til nogle specielle kommandoer til f.eks. at gribe ind i
systemet. F.eks. �ndre hvem der er ansvarlige for hvilke
pakkeovers�ttelser (som udgangspunkt f�r den f�rste overs�tter
automatisk ansvaret for hver overs�ttelse - og modtager en email i samme
�jeblik originalovers�ttelsen �ndres eller nogen har foresl�et �ndringer
i deres 'review' af overs�ttelsen).
I samme �ndedrag stillede jeg dit sp�rgsm�l til manden bag ddtp, Michael
Bramer, da det selvf�lgelig ogs� har betydning for mig. Herunder er hans
ganske udf�rlige svar.
Selv tror jeg meget p� at systemet vil blive brugt - og at de sidste
h�rdnakkede pakkeansvarlige kan f� serveret automatiske beskeder om
overs�ttelser som en fejlrapport p� BTS fra ddtp, ligesom de plejer.
Claus
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 11:49:26AM +0100, Claus Hindsgaul wrote:
> Please tell me if I should ask someone else instead of wasting your
> time...
no problem. If I don't have time, I will not answer or I will delay the
reply.
> One of my potential translators was worried if the debconf templates
> would actually be used by the package maintainers, since it is them
who
> has to actually fetch the translations and insert them into their
> packages.
We don't have any automatism between ddtp debconf translation and the
package maintainer. The package maintainer _must_ download the templates
file(s) from the server, include it in his source and build a new debian
package.
> * How can I convince people that this actually happens?
You can only write bugreport to bugs.debian.org like 'new translation
availably on ddtp.debian.org, please use this...'
sorry. But the package maintainer is the bottle lack...
from time to time I write some reports to debian-devel or
debian-devel-announce about the process.
> * Do you keep statistics on how many existing translations have
> been imported from ddtp?
no, but I have a statistics how many translation in ddtp and not in the
packages.
see: http://ddtp.debian.org/debconf/maintainer/*
(But this is all not in a nice documented format.
new.all.sort.txt: show all packages with unused ddtp-translations...
new.all.txt: Like new.all.sort.txt, but sorted by names
other files, see base-config as example:
../maintainer/new.all.sort.txt: 80 base-config
../maintainer/new.all.txt: 80 base-config
../maintainer/new.cs.txt:- 26 7 33 base-config
../maintainer/new.da.txt:- 31 1 33 base-config
../maintainer/new.de.txt:+ 33 16 33 base-config
In the ddtp-db are 80 new translated templates description (all
languages). And the base-config package use 33 templates
descriptions. 33 are translated into german and 31 into danish. 16
german translations and 1 danish translations are in the ddtp db but
not in the real debian package.
> * Isn't it more certain that the maintainers would check for new
> translations in the BTS?
maybe now. The solution is one dh_* script, that download all
translations at package build time.
Maybe the server will send bts bug report itself in future.
> * Are we talking chicken and eggs - hoping for the ddtp to
become
> "the standard"?
I don't hope anything. The ddtp is a framework, and lot of the package
maintainer don't support translations. They don't inform the
'translators' if they change some text. (Some maintainers send mails to
some mailing lists or/and to the old translators, if they change the
english text. (like xfree, debconf or base-config maintainer). But this
are exceptions!)
Gruss
Grisu
--
Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
