Am 9. November 2026 01:19:26 UTC schrieb Maytham Alsudany 
<[email protected]>:
>Hi Simon,
>
>9 Nov 2026 3:09:52 am Simon Quigley <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hi Maytham,
>> 
>> On 11/8/26 09:39, Maytham Alsudany wrote:
>>> Hi debian-mentors,
>>> Out of the 115 currently open RFS bugs, around 47 of them have the some
>>> packager as the upstream maintainer. For most of these, the software was
>>> one-shot created, has no long-term maintenance, and has virtually no
>>> users. Another indicator is that these packages do not exist in any
>>> other distribution.
>> 
>> That's good to know re: targeting other distributions, or lack thereof.
>
>I've written a small script to compile that info, see 
>https://rfs.debian.aezign.au/upstream.html
>
>>> Is it worth entertaining RFS requests for such software? Otherwise, is
>>> there any objection to closing such RFS bugs and their related ITPs,
>>> both the old ones currently lingering as well as new ones that come in
>>> where little interest has been shown from DDs?
>> 
>> It depends. I've made a few exceptions when the upstream author can 
>> reasonably explain that there is a userbase, and it's going to be actively 
>> maintained, but for most of these, I think they should be closed.
>
>Agreed, there are always exceptions but this applies to most of these bugs.
>
>> I don't think it makes sense to force a project-wide requirement here, but 
>> it would make sense to clearly explain something like this on a landing 
>> page. I also think that we should be polite and respectful to those people 
>> who have opened bugs, even if we're closing them.
>
>mentors.d.n should probably be clearer about what should be in Debian, based 
>on existing info about new packages in the Developer's Reference. A checklist 
>would be helpful e.g. unique functionality no other package does, substantial 
>userbase, explaining that Debian repos are supposed to make it easiee to 
>install software people are already installing and using through other means.
>
>> There's also another argument to be made about the age of the bugs. It would 
>> be one thing if there was a recommendation not to sponsor from one DD and 
>> another DD did it anyway. On the other hand, for these bugs, *none* of the 
>> DDs interested in sponsoring packages have picked them up, recommendation 
>> against or not. That should speak for something. I'm absolutely +1 on 
>> closing the bugs that are older than a few months at this point, if they 
>> match the criteria of self-authored. The downside to automatically closing 
>> those old bugs is that we might actually miss a valid one, so should be 
>> handled manually.
>
>Yeah, not automatic, but manually going through bugs that haven't had any 
>sponsor or where the submitter hasn't responded to a moreinfo for over 1-2 
>months seems reasonable to me.
>
>> I'm happy to help with bug triage if we decide a direction here.
>
>--
>Maytham
>

I agree with maytham that we should have some minimum quality baseline for new 
packages. 

Especially if sponsoree == upstream my experience is that the package many 
times eventually just will bitrot in the archives just after a bit. (of course 
there are exeptions to this; afterall /me started my Debian career this way)

It is usually a good sign if the sponsoree holds other packages as well.

regarding qa criterias, we've got https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide

possibly we could also make it more clear, (and also do it then) that we'll 
remove package if they are not cared for properly and set that expectation 
clearly.

--
tobi (on mobile, excuse brevity)




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