>>>>> "AS" == Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AS> Sure, and that's best accomplished by everybody not being a AS> wuss. It doesn't make you a wuss to be respectful to others. Quite the contrary: the strong know their own strength and don't need to flex their muscles all the time. AS> Your proposed scenario is "We work together better but we AS> can't get anything done because we can't talk to each other AS> for fear of offending somebody". Being respectful doesn't mean mincing words or being ineffectual. People around the world talk to each other like human beings every day, and somehow manage to get things done. Within our project, if you consider the most effective DDs*, you're going to also be thinking of the most reasonable, thoughtful, and friendly ones. AS> I find your suggestion that this is something we should be AS> doing to be fairly offensive, so you've already failed. Hey, sure. It's impossible not to offend anyone. But it's always possible to deal with people politely and respectfully. How they react is their own business. AS> People who can't call things by their real names are not AS> useful. You're mistaking talking straight with being a jerk. They're not the same thing. Jerks comfort themselves with that idea, but it's not the case. You can call a spade a spade without calling the guy holding it a spade-holding fuckwit and kicking mud on his shoes. ~ESP * By the way, I don't count myself in this number. I have a crappy temper, and I'm not any great shakes as a Debian contributor. I try to live up to what I'm saying here, but any search of debian-* list archives would turn up several instances of me being a bully and/or a jerk. So, you know, hypocrisy fully owned up to. -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED]