On July 25, 2019 9:46:08 AM UTC, Vincent Bernat <ber...@debian.org> wrote: > ❦ 24 juillet 2019 21:29 +00, Scott Kitterman <deb...@kitterman.com>: > >>>> This entire discussion feels to me like a small group of developers >>>> trying to tell the rest of us "my way or the highway". We are >>>> perfectly capable of phasing out obsolete workflows without a >hammer >>>> like a GR (remember dpatch). >>> >>>Without a GR, the outcome is decided by a shouting contest. A GR >seeems >>>great to know if people are a majority or not. >> >> 50% + 1 of developers mandating details like this to 50% - 1 of >> developers is a horrible way to solve problems like this. > >Still better than 10% mandating details like this to 90%. > >> If you want people to do things a certain way, have it solve problems >> that cause people to decide they want to use it. Once you get rough >> consensus on the new way, change policy. > >So, this is the shouting contest. A few people can post messages and >make it appear there is no consensus. Usually consensus doesn't magically appear. It takes work. At this juncture none exists. The idea of solving this via GR seems to me like an attempt to avoid doing that work. I'm curious who from amongst those pushing for this is volunteering to put all the QA maintained packages in git (or should those be removed)? If you are going to mandate this, then I think those are the only two options. Scott K
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for al... Vincent Bernat
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Alexander Zangerl
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Andrey Rahmatullin
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Phil Morrell
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Scott Kitterman
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Vincent Bernat
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Fabien Givors
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Steffen Möller
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Scott Kitterman
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Vincent Bernat
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Scott Kitterman
- Do we want to try to find consensus before a GR? Sam Hartman
- Re: Do we want to try to find consensus before a G... David Bremner
- Re: Do we want to try to find consensus before a G... Jonas Meurer
- Re: Do we want to try to find consensus before a G... Thomas Goirand
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Adam Borowski
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... gregor herrmann
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Andy Simpkins
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Tobias Frost
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Thomas Goirand
- Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser f... Norbert Preining