Hi Salvatore,

Sorry for the delay.


On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 13:18 Salvatore Bonaccorso <car...@debian.org> wrote:

> hi stable release managers, hi Felipe,
>
> On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 09:33:21AM +0100, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> > Package: release.debian.org
> > Severity: normal
> > Tags: buster
> > User: release.debian....@packages.debian.org
> > Usertags: pu
> > X-Debbugs-Cc: car...@debian.org,fsate...@debian.org
> >
> > Hi SRM, hi Felipe
> >
> > [ Reason ]
> >
> > pulseaudio's deamon.conf uses the (for that version of upstream) the
> > default of yes for flat-volumes. The flat-volumes value enables to
> > 'flat' volumes, the sink volume equal the maximum of the volumes of
> > the inputs connected to it. But this can cause quite some surprised
> > and problems and can hurt ears depending on e.g. headphones values.
> >
> > So some distributions have changed that already in past
> > and upstream did as well in later versions.
> >
> > In unstable the change was done in the 13.0-3 upload.
> >
> > [ Impact ]
> >
> > So far users probably stumpling over the problem have changed away
> > form the default in their configuration.
>
> Any comment on this proposed update? Although I completely see the
> point as it is changing a default in stable, I still wonder if we
> should do it because it has been switched upstream and was a problem
> several times for reporting user.
>


I don't think this change is in scope for a stable update. While I agree it
has been problematic for many users, and that this setting has great
relevance, this same impact makes me doubt it is fit for a stable update.

This is not a bugfix, it is a change in the default value of a setting.
Even if I agree with the new value, I don't think it is the sort of change
people expect in a stable update.

For the RT: this setting changes the behavior of the volume controls.
Current behavior in stable is to move the master volume along with the
loudest app volume (which creates the problem of a single app raising your
volume to very high levels). Current behavior in unstable is to decouple
them: app volume is now relative to the master volume.

This is all based on my understanding of how stable should remain stable. I
have no technical issue with backporting the setting change. Therefore, if
the release team deems the change in setting as appropriate, I won't object
(and very much welcome if you could upload it).

Saludos

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