Hi again,

Am 17.06.24 um 20:29 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
Apologies if I'm missing something, but

+    - recommend kio >> 5.103.0-1 in -kf5

makes the package uninstallable on a default bookworm setup (i.e.
Recommends are installed by APT).
apt TTBOMK doesn't complain if a Recommends isn't fullfillable. I
also asked on #debian-devel about that because I wasn't sure either.

AFAICR I did this in sid before the matching sid Recommendation was
in place and no complaints from apt.

(Except telling me that "kio" is Recommended)
As per our IRC conversation, I'm still very surprised by this.

Looks like stable behaves different and/or I implicitely did dist-upgrade on sid anyway because of other stuff, too


Just tried:
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For the record on IRC:

0:33 < adsb> and whether tools tend to do just upgrades or d-u (e.g unattended-upgrades, but also others) 20:33 < _rene_> the ideal way(tm) would just be to make kio do their stuff... 20:35 < _rene_> but if it helps I can back out the recommends. but that probably will make the actual bug in -kf5 still cause havoc
20:36 < _rene_> s/bug in -kf5/bug in kio still cause havoc with -kf5/
20:43 < _rene_> can't get unattended-upgrades to upgrade from my local (non-signed, non-Release, etc) apt repo to try that one
20:46 < adsb> ah
20:46 < _rene_> ah, there. orgin=*
20:46 < _rene_> Option --dry-run given, *not* performing real actions
20:46 < _rene_> Packages that will be upgraded: fonts-opensymbol libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-help-common libreoffice-help-de libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-impress libreoffice-kf5 libreoffice-l10n-de libreoffice-math libreoffice-plasma libreoffice-qt5 libreoffice-style-breeze libreoffice-style-colibre 20:46 < _rene_> libreoffice-style-elementary libreoffice-writer libuno-cppu3 libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3 libuno-purpenvhelpergcc3-3 libuno-sal3 libuno-salhelpergcc3-3 python3-uno uno-libs-private ure
20:46 < _rene_> s/orgin/origin/
20:46 < adsb> promising
20:46 < _rene_> unatteded-upgrades seems to wrk
20:46 < _rene_> work
20:46 < adsb> I guess we can try it and see what qa tooling does
20:47 < _rene_> so I should upload and we can back out the recommends "in emergency"?
20:47 < adsb> sure
20:47 < _rene_> k
20:47 < adsb> neither way is great, as you say
20:48 < adsb> without the other half of the fix
20:48 < _rene_> didn't want to upload prematurely, even with your "half-ACK" in the bug :)
20:48 < _rene_> better safe than sorry :)
20:49 < adsb> coucouf: were you planning on submitting a p-u request for kio 5.103.0-1+deb12u1?
20:49 < _rene_> they wanted andi to do that
20:50 < _rene_> (fwiw, without --dry-run it actually upgrades all that)
20:50 < _rene_> all  that in a clean stable VM
20:50 < adsb> I don't really mind who requests it :)
20:50  * _rene_ neither :)
20:51 < _rene_> Uploading libreoffice_7.4.7-1+deb12u3_source.changes: done.
20:51 < _rene_> Successfully uploaded packages.

Regards,

Rene

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