On dim, 2009-08-16 at 14:41 +0200, Marc Brockschmidt wrote: > As announced on dda [RT1], we want to get an impression when releasing > Squeeze is feasible. We have proposed a (quite ambitious) freeze in December > 2009, and some developers have noted that their planned changes wouldn't be > possible in this time frame. So, to find out when releasing would work for > most people, it would be great if you could answer the following questions: > > * Which major upstream releases of Xfce are expected in the next two > years? Which of those are material for Debian stable, which might be a bit > flaky?
Xfce 4.8 is supposed to be release in april 2010. Then Xfce 4.10 (or so) in early 2011, but it's not really scheduled yet and the Xfce team has little manpower and that's an issue when talking release management. They're trying to do it well for 4.8, and there are already release plans and schedules available: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/release-model http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule > > * How much time do you usually need from a new upstream release of Xfce > to a stable Debian package in unstable? At the moment, I am more/less the only one working on it, but it's not that long. For 4.6 I prepared the migration in my own repos and experimental, using 4.6 pre-releases. What can takes time and delay the upload is: - personal availability (if I'm the only active one in the team); - upstream delays; - restrictions in unstable uploads (for migrations). > > * How many "big" transitions will the upcoming changes cause? When should > those > happen? Can we do something to make them easier? We'll have the exo-0.3 to exo-1 change. Dependencies are limited to pkg-xfce packages and most will be part of the new release: cor...@hidalgo: apt-cache rdepends libexo-0.3-0 | tail -n +3 | sort -u exo-utils libexo-0.3-0-dbg libexo-0.3-dev libthunar-vfs-1-2 ristretto squeeze thunar thunar-media-tags-plugin thunar-volman xfburn xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-settings xfce4-terminal xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-volstatus-icon xfdesktop4 xfmedia There will be the Thunar port to GIO. Thunar-vfs will be dropped from the thunar package (still be present as an external lib, for packages not ported to the new Thunar-gio lib). I'm not sure atm how I'll handle that but it'll sure take some time. There will be few new packages (libgarcon for menu handling, which will be a freedesktop.org lib) which will require NEW too. Basically, looking at the planned release date, if the freeze is in december 4.8 won't be in Squeeze. For 4.8 to be present in Squeeze, I guess I would have to be able to upload it (so no freeze, or freeze exception) until (mid or end) may 2010. I'm not sure how it fits into your plans, but I'd say I'm fine with having Xfce 4.6 in Squeeze, don't delay the freeze of us. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org