on Thu, Apr 18, 2002, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:58:41 -0700
> "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> > on Wed, Apr 17, 2002, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > > Created two copies of the 2.4.16 kernel source and have currently been
> > > running two endless compiling loops in SSH sessions to the system. 
> > > The loops have been running for 4+ hours now, planning to let them run
> > > over night.
> > 
> > Sounds like a negative.
> 
> Yea, ran through all night long (~10 hours) until I stopped it and
> remounted all the partitions sync'd for the strace on Mozilla.

OK.

> > > > You might try mounting your drives 'sync' (synchronous mode), and
> > > > launching Mozilla under strace, logging stderr.  This may be able to
> > > > capture the final system calls of the program.
> > > 
> > > I'll give this a run tomorrow.  Hopefully I can readily get Mozilla to
> > > drop the system.
> > 
> > You've largely eliminated memory and CPU.
> 
> Well, running the system with sync'd mounts and strace for Mozilla was
> extremely slow, 

It'll do that ;-)

> but I did manage to get the system to drop while using Mozilla (during
> an attempted opening of freshmeat.net).  I ran strace with '-ff -F -o
> moz.log' options and now have several trace output files.  It appears
> to have managed to follow a good number of threads from Mozilla.

You're interested in the end of the files.  Might want to check your
logs:  kernel, syslog, and messages particularly.

> > Another possible HW problem might be a disk corruption in your swap
> > partition.  I suggest this just because I now that Mozilla tends to
> > grow, and stress swap.  Though I would tend toward a driver issue.  Not
> > sure of a good swap tester, anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> This could be more or less ruled out by turning swap off during one of
> the tests, right?  I know it wouldn't prove that the swap was good,
> but if the system drops without the swap enabled, then we know
> something else is to blame (swap could still be bad).  

Yep.  Occam's razor says if you have the same problem with and w/o swap,
you're likely looking at some other problem.  Complex causes to things
are rare.  I'm still pretty amazed at how many problems at the office
have boiled down to:

  - Foo wasn't plugged in.
  - Foo was plugged in incorrectly (wrong port/outlet/connector).
  - Foo's plug (or cord or cable) was damaged.

I won't comment on how many of these I was responsible for ;-)

Incidentally, you could create a swap _file_ if you want to give
yourself the buffer.

> However, if the system won't drop with the swap disabled, then I would
> tend to think the swap was the culprit, right?

That's a good working hypothesis.  Frankly, I'd be surprised if it was
the case, but it's possible.

Peace.

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