>>"David" == David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It's not really at all clear that this was where the mistake lay. David> I never thought I would be advocating more management, but here goes... David> Debian, as another poster pointed out, has grown from ~50 to David> ~2000 developers. And those developers, being "geeks" rather David> than "suits", respond to problems by working harder on their David> jobs (as I believe Collin pointed out), rather than by David> strategic re-alignments. Other engineer-centered organizations David> (HP and Boeing are famous examples) have run into this problem David> before. Do you have any data for this, or are you just making things up? The new pool system is not a reorg? The buildd and rbuilder? the automated BTS tracking tools? Do you actually know what is being done internally to deal with the issues? David> I haven't experienced first-hand the styles of the previous David> and current RMs, but at least looking from the outside, it David> would seem that the current RM has been much more effective David> (aside from failing to take into account the security David> infrastructure problems) than the previous one in driving David> woody to release. This would seem to indicate that management David> can make a difference. Perhaps the new pools and testing mechanism has something to do with this, hmm? David> What about increasing the "management overhead" for Debian? David> Instead of just having DPL and RM, the RM could be given some David> minions, there could be PMs for different areas, etc. They David> would make tactical and strategic decisions regarding David> releases, and advertise needs as they arise. We have the boot floppy team, the debian web pages team, the perl team, java people, the policy group, the debian cd people, the new maintainer people, the press release folks, the security team, the admin folks, the list masters, the ftp archive folks, the project secretary, the .. All with team leaders and delegates of the DPL. Have you even looked before you start coming in firing off proposals without even knowing what the problems are? David> There, the idea is out there; wail away at it. Yes. Random ideas, fired off with no concept of problem details, no idea of the culture, and no work done researching anything. Guess how much this is worth? manoj -- Instead of whining to the net about it, why don't you talk to the news admins at Berkeley? If they won't trash sci.skeptic there, pass around a petition. Threaten to set their dog on fire. Whatever. If nothing works, you can, as a last resort, unsubscribe. Dave Mack, [EMAIL PROTECTED], responds to a flame in news.groups Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]