On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2008-06-18 13:24:06, schrieb al davis:
> > Yes.  Be more respectful of people who are trying to help
> > you.
>
> I have gotten no reponse from Developers and others...

Did you ask?

You have been on this here list long enough to know what kind of 
response you will get.

> > You say "not expensive" indicating your willingness to pay
> > something.  How about paying for improvements you want?
>
> I have payed arround 20.000 Euro  for  I  High-Performance 
> CAD  program which support simulations in real-time...  I
> used  it  to  construct  my Bio-Fuel-Raffinnerie...  Even it
> is complex, it is intuitiv!
>
> I can not say electric or "geda" are "intuitiv" the use of
> the interface is horribel...

You would be amazed at how far 20.000 Euro goes to support a 
free software project.  It might be enough to pay for a 
complete redo of the user interface, to exactly what you want.

>
> > You say you are a system administrator, EE, and consultant.
> >  How about providing some services to a project you would
> > like to see improved?
>
> I am developer and have my own enterprise (IT), working
> currently arround 16 hours a day and I am in creation of a
> NEW Enterprise in Morocco (Bio- Fuel) which went hit by three
> bombs on 2008-01-01 because "je deranger les intrets
> francaise"...
>
> I have not the time to bother with only half working
> software...

You must realize that all software was only half working at some 
time.  For commercial software, investors keep it going past 
this stage.  For free software, the investors are the 
developers themselves, and the users that are willing to put up 
with it, and carry it through.

There's also the factor of "which half", and where is it going.

The zero-cost non-free software gets its funding from investors, 
and carefully chooses "which half" to make you buy something 
bigger.

Another point on "half working" software is that sometimes there 
are multiple competing projects, each "half working" but a 
different half.  If only they would get together......

> I need a software FAST!
>
> Even if I would spend 2000 Euro to a OSS  developer,  he/she 
> would  not develop a solution in a timeframe I need.  And
> since I have NO  time,  I already outsourcing jobs over
> <http://www.getacoder.com/>.
>
> I give a fsck on "WHO is working for me" because things must
> be done.

I agree that there are times when we must put idealism aside to 
get something done.  Some projects can only be done in a 
commercial environment, with big investors.  I understand your 
decision here.

You just might need to use Windoze here ..  Pads, perhaps???

Even so, with wishful thinking ...  a little participation in 
the free project goes a long way, if it is done 
constructively.  "I would really like to use your xxxxx, but 
because of (some detail) I feel forced to use yyyyy.   It's so 
close, but....."

Some commercial products cooperate with Free/open-source 
software.  Some try to undermine it.  It is important to know 
the difference.  The zero-cost crippled demos undermine it.  
There are big packages that use Free/open-source commodity 
packages and provide added value at a price.  They support it, 
especially if they help fund it.

Sorry if I sound overbearing here ..  I am working on a project 
(very close to geda) which is now "half working" and realize 
how little things like this impact progress on a project.


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