On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:07:25PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: I wrote on Oct 18th? > > If you know, and enjoy LISP then configuring it will be an enjoyable > > experience."? > > No need for any elisp. All configuration can be done via menus.
Interesting. > > A newcomer to Linux who is advised to use Gnus, should at least be > > warned that they will be installing emacs. > > Installing Thunderbird pulls in libraries that are larger than Emacs. Luckily, I already knew that thunderbird is called icedove in Debian. root@tal:~# apt-get install icedove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done [...] Need to get 18.7 MB of archives. After this operation, 37.1 MB of additional disk space will be used. BUT not so lucky with gnus ... root@tal:~# apt-get install gnus Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package gnus is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'gnus' has no installation candidate root@tal:~# apt-cache search gnus | grep reader dictionaryreader.app - Dict client for GNUstep grr.app - RSS reader for GNUstep lusernet.app - News reader for GNUstep root@tal:~# apt-cache search gnus | grep mua root@tal:~# apt-cache search gnus | grep mail x-pgp-sig-el - X-PGP-Sig mail and news header utility for Emacs fetchmail - SSL enabled POP3, APOP, IMAP mail gatherer/forwarder gnumail.app - Mail client for GNUstep gnumail.app-dbg - Mail client for GNUstep (debugging symbols) mailcrypt - Emacs interface to GPG and PGP mboxgrep - Grep through mailboxes libpantomime1.2 - GNUstep framework for mail handling (runtime library) libpantomime1.2-dev - GNUstep framework for mail handling (development files) root@tal:~# apt-cache search gnus | grep news x-pgp-sig-el - X-PGP-Sig mail and news header utility for Emacs After much messing around: root@tal:~# apt-cache show emacs23 [...] Provides: editor, emacs23-gtk, emacsen, info-browser, mail-reader, news-reader So its builtin? http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusTutorial#toc1 "Gnus 5.7 has been included in Emacs 20.5 through 20.7, and Emacs 21.1 will contain Gnus 5.9." Excellent.!! So if you are going to install emacs23, you get Gnus for free. It would be a waste not to use it. BUT ... root@tal:~# apt-get install emacs23 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done [...] Need to get 26.6 MB of archives. After this operation, 84.9 MB of additional disk space will be used. Compared to icedove it requires 69% more download and uses 43.7% more diskspace. I'm not running any desktop, just basic xorg and fvwm, and yet icedove doesn't pull in extra libraries. Just as (since I last looked) gnus is now included within emacs, icedove has been "cleaned up" since you last looked? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121020132552.GB13784@tal