On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 11:17:02PM CEST, Tom H <tomh0...@gmail.com> said: >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx <b...@proulx.com> wrote: >>> Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. >>> >>> I rather agree. But the opponents cite corner cases where the >>> previous security model doesn't handle every possible access case. >>> >>> I always hate it when people say such vague statements such as >>> "modern" or "is broken" without actually saying why it is one way or >>> the other. After reading months of arguments these next two postings >>> were the first real postings I had read with any detail in them. >>> Especially the second one. >>> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00455.html >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00461.html >>> >>> These are things that probably 99.44%[1] of the population hasn't ever >>> needed before. The 99% where everything works for us are all of us >>> crying about the disruption. But for that 0.56% that worried about >>> those corner cases they see the old system as really broken. They are >>> probably right that it is broken for them. But there are better ways >>> to go about improving the system than the unpleasant way that systemd >>> has been rolled out to the community. >> >> Didn't all DEs use consolekit and policykit? IIRC wasn't the CTTE bug >> filed because of a debian-devel@ thread about Gnome depending on >> systemd (because of logind and/or libpam-systemd)? >> >> The problem's that consolekit is abandonware upstream, logind is its >> replacement, policykit removed consolekit support, and logind requires >> systemd as pid 1 (or systemd-shim). > > logind requires pam-systemd which as of today version in testing requires > systemd-sysv > > systemd-shim today is NOT an option. No more. It was *remived* from > the dependencies. And completeley removed,the dependency is not on a > version ot yet in testing. For me that means that systemd developper > want to remove it.
There have been multiple posts on this list about the fact that the systemd-shim "||" dependency would be restored once cgmanager had been uploaded. it's done and we're now waiting for the systemd maintainers to change the dependencies: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00037.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sz5y7ravk8wih+tvk3qd9ablnd-amh7orzodunxdp+...@mail.gmail.com