The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about 
systemd.  The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject. 

Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him?  At 
least the threads will then be short.  PLEASE.  If you like Debian, use it.  
If you don't like it, don't use it.  If you want to fork it, fork it.  

This once super list is becoming a pain, but there is nowhere else to go for 
good Debian advice.  Which is still available here, amongst the dross.

Lisi

On Wednesday 27 August 2014 01:27:19 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 08:41:59 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote:
> > >> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles.  We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage
> > >> the content on a list that's supposed to be about a particular
> > >> topic.  The noise-to-signal ratio shouldn't be so high that
> > >> killfiling is necessary.  If we have to, all it is is a statement
> > >> that there are too many inconsiderate people on the list who don't
> > >> care that they're offtopic.
> > >
> > > Agreed. The health of this list isn't maintained by sticking fingers
> > > in ears. Why should we allow its usefulness to deteriorate?
> >
> > Sorry, your logic seems a little opaque to me.
> >
> > Are you trying to say that we shouldn't have to put our fingers in our
> > ears by using killfiles?
> >
> > Are you saying we shouldn't have to ignore things we don't like to hear?
>
> A very famous person once said
>
>   OT posts prosper because good people do nothing.
>
> David Guntner did something.
>
> > >> I've said my peace on the subject for now, and I'm not going to
> > >> debate points with you on the subject.  Hopefully, there will at
> > >> least be a few people who get the point.
> > >
> > > The first mail in this thread has a link; basically that is all it
> > > contains. It is the staple signature of the "I have nothing to say but
> > > hope it generates a large response so I can look important" poster.
> > > It's often matched in its thoughtlessness by the "+1" response.
> > >
> > > The justification for the post is that "...how your Linux operating
> > > system is started......is 100% Linux."
> > >
> > > This proposition works just as well for putting the same post on the
> > > Arch Linux, Ubuntu and Gentoo lists, which would make it OT on all
> > > these three lists plus debian-user.
> > >
> > > (The last paragraph contains a subtle argument, I know; but sometimes
> > > you have to try).
> >
> > Uhmm, you  mean like, Chevrolets are Fords because all Fords are cars?
>
> I'm uncomfortable with car analogies. Please reframe the question in
> terms of mailing lists and their purpose.


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