So what you mean, is the decision was a result of "coup", and do not
believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active
Debian users in this list ask for it?
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Gregory Smith <gregorysmith19...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> And the answer is no!
> Of course.
>
> The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the
> benefit of the user.
> (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the
> user: the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard
> proprietary copyright regime)
> We are told that any vote by the user would be, in a word, disrespectful
> of the founding documents!
>
> We are then informed that because earlier a general resolution by some
> attentive debian package maintainers failed there shall never be another
> attempt. Of course this earlier attempt occurred before everyone decided to
> update to Jessie from wheezy, but that makes no difference.
>
> How convenient.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the technical committee even ruling on this
> matter was an illegal abuse of process. Such wide ranging changes which are
> not purely technical in nature Must go to a general resolution to be voted
> on by all of the debian package maintainers. The abuse of the technical
> committee, which is stacked with former or current redhat and
> ubuntu(canonical) employees was intentional. It came just at the time when
> the correct person was in the chairmanship.
>
> What has occurred in debian can be described as a coup.
> And the trajectory has followed the standard coup path: a beurocratic
> organ was used to over ride and subvert a formally democratic body, then
> once such was completed the decision made by a few was declared fiat
> complete, then harsh critics of the new regime were silenced, and the
> population informed that they had two choices: conform or get out.
>
> You can see the same in Egypt today. Same mechanisms. They use bullets
> though, rather than bans.
>
> Debian, in its founding documents, like the free software movement it once
> belonged to in fact and in spirit, was created for the users. It is not, by
> fiat, a doacracy.
>
> When it was created the users of debian and some of the programmers who
> created the "upstream" as it is now called were the debian packagers. Since
> then a new class that is neither user nor programmer has arising and stuck
> itself between us, all the while kicking the actually productive free
> software developers out of debian for social crimes.
>
> That is the story, that is what has happened. They have taken our Linux
> distribution from us. The Frenchman above me is one of that number.
>
