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On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:02:15PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote:
> somehow network-manager makes it work.  But I've had it with gnome, and none
> of the command line tools or references I've found work.  That
> includes /etc/network/interfaces,
> direct use of ifconfig,iw,ip,rfkill,wpa_supplicant,dhclient, and
> wicd-client (though it's not really what I want.

I have wireless working (right now) without Network Manager, via
ifupdown, on jessie/sid.

> Is this even still possible or have the systemd assholes decided we
> shouldn't be doing it?

Now, now. I don't like systemd myself (and manage to avoid it, I'm
still using SysV init), but treating free software developers as
"assholes" seems highly inappropriate.

> I believe the problem with the traditional wpa_supplicatn approach is
> related to syslog entries like
> these:
> 
> May 21 17:00:06 debian kernel: iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: can't access the
> RSA semaphore it is write protected

Sorry I can't help you with that specific one. But search engines give
some hits which look relevant, like e.g.

  <https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210306>

> But as I say somehow network-manager makes it work.
> 
> I just got a new laptop after 10 years, I didn't realize how bad the
> situation has become with systemd udev gnome etc.

Then help others keeping the alternatives up and running. No clients?
No product!

But mudslinging and insults... we've had enough of those. I both
directions.

regards
- -- t
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