On Sun 22 May 2016 at 10:34:02 -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:44 PM, <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:02:15PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > >> somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, and > >> none > >> of the command line tools or references I've found work. That > >> includes /etc/network/interfaces, > >> direct use of ifconfig,iw,ip,rfkill,wpa_supplicant,dhclient, and > >> wicd-client (though it's not really what I want. > > > > I have wireless working (right now) without Network Manager, via > > ifupdown, on jessie/sid. > > > >> Is this even still possible or have the systemd assholes decided we > >> shouldn't be doing it? > > > > Now, now. I don't like systemd myself (and manage to avoid it, I'm > > still using SysV init), but treating free software developers as > > Nice to hear that's still possible, the general tone I've seen so far as > I look at this is that its a huge pain even on gentoo and almost > impossible elsewhere.
We do not care what happens on gentoo etc. If this is the substance of your argument it is vey thin. As tomas says: on Debian wireless works without Network Manager, If it doesn't for you, it merely indicates your incompetence. > > "assholes" seems highly inappropriate. > > Well it's the customary term for people with the attitude that they constantly > and deliberately exhibit. "Arseholes" is the correct terminology. You've not posted enough nonsense in this thread yet for it to be applied to you. But you could try really hard. ;) [...Snip...] > So I need gnome running to talk to my network card. How fcking ridiculous. > It > should be a kernel function but it looks like the only tested configuration > involves all of this wobbly stack of garbage. Isn't this exactly what we were > promised wasn't going to happen when debian went with systemd? The "u" key on your keyboard is not working consistently. HTH. A kernel function? Can we trust them? Promises, promises.