On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > > > > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the
> > > > > > > system is too base?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base
> > > > > > system?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Because ip is a pain in the ass to make it run, and still gives
> > > > > grossly incomplete information?
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2 years, I have yet to get a full network report out of ip
> > > > > such as ifconfig gives.
> > > >
> > > > Does   ip addr ; ip -s link   not work for you?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David.
> > >
> > > It could I suppose, but thats also an extra 4" of useless fluff on
> > > my high res screen.
> >
> > You really wanted to say "yes" to your problem of two years standing
> > being solved, didn't you? But it goes against the grain. :)
> 
> I would not go out on that limb and saw it off behind me,

Deconstruction: I *can* get a full network report out of ip but am not
going to admit it. Instead, I'll throw some chaff around as a diversion.

>                                                         but if it had 
> more labels on the output, it could be helpfull.  For instance what does 
> this line in its output for eth0 tell me, and where did it get those 
> numbers?
> 
>    inet6 fe80::21f:c6ff:fe62:fcbb/64 scope link

The same place ifconfig got them from,

> Compared to the ifconfig eth0 output, that looks to be derived from its 
> MAC address, but how is such a determination thats its a globally unique 
> address determined? Anyone can cause a MAC address to be spoofed. I am 
> doing it myself so that I can change routers without loseing my ipv4 
> address, registered at namecheap.

Deconstruction: Look out! More chaff.

-- 
Brian.

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