On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46:11AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: > >>>If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist. > >> > >>Well, actual real-world experience shows that to not be true. > > > > > >You should (noisily) bring out that case! > > Why? This isn't exactly news. It seems that some people are living > in a fantasy world where there are no false positives and that > people selling blacklists care.
I can just offer my own experience. After having implemented SPF & DKIM (over a year ago) I had just one problem with a not-delivered mail (German provider web.de). Their SMTP bounced the message with an informative text. After complaining to them, they fixed it. Before SPF & DKIM, big providers (outlook.com, gmail among others) tended to dump my messages into the receiver's spam folder (an especially underhanded way of dropping a message without actually dropping it). So from my POV, care & feeding of an own SMTP server is some work, yes, but perfectly doable. There is some responsability on us, who can do it, to keep it around for as long as possible: mail is still a decentralized protocol, and that is very valuable. Throwing up my hands and saying "it can't be done" is not an option for me. Cheers -- tomás
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