On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:01:37PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote: > Dear moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere. > This list recently is flooded with never ending arguing, and respect and > politeness too often got lost. > > Same here as already for Michael Howards "Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: > behavior on list)". See attachment below. > Marco > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:42 -0400 > From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <deb...@polynamaude.com> > To: Marco Möller <ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> > > > > On 2021-08-14 3:38 p.m., Marco Möller wrote: > > On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote: > > > > > Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is > > > social ineptitude and it has to stop. > > > > > > Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please? > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Howard. > > > > > > > +1 > > > > --- > > Marco > > > FUCK OFF > > -- > Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside > -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development > >
There aren't any particular moderators here: as stated before this is an unmoderated list. If someone writes to you off-list specifically, it's very bad form to bring copy it and specifically bring it back up on list, whoever seems to be at fault. Everybody can make mistakes, very occasionally people copy a private reply back to a list in genuine error. You goof: but you generally only do it once because people will call you out on it - especially if it's a sensitive topic. [And yes, from personal experience, it doesn't feel nice once you realise you've made a mistake - apologies don't always cut it.] Moral of the story: look really carefully at how you're replying and who you're replying to. If you're really not sure: stop, take a breath, a sip of coffee - then reread and check twice more before sending. [HINT: I nearly goofed just now before sending this: check that you're not sending a reply to something on list to someone as a private email and vice versa.] It's another useful reason to not always write to the list and cc. to the person you're replying to - it's too easy to make a mistake. *Don't* copy back to the list because you're aggrieved:, ask the community team - off list - if they'd care to take a look. The address is commun...@debian.org. The main Debian Code of Conduct and the mailing list general code of conduct are at https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct and https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct respectively. Enrico Zini's community guidelines are old but good. They're at https://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/ People: The threads over the last few days have not been constructive or particularly edifying - I'm specifically _not_ going to call out anyone on list here - see above for why - but there could have been more mutual respect shown. As a member of the Community Team, I've asked my colleagues to have a look: several people have overstepped the mark here in varying degrees, I think. Maybe it will be instructive to come back to the posts of the last few days in a week or a month, reread, and see how the threads make us (all) look? I was busy yesterday with testing installation media: hey, we got a release out after just over two years worth of work. Debian turns 28 years old tomorrow: there's Debconf 21 on line in just about ten days time: 24th August onwards That's good news and positive - can we go with a bit more of that spirit, please? All the best to a (sometimes not quite) community here on list, as ever, Andy Cater [For and on behalf of the Community Team - copied to commun...@debian.org for the team's information].
