Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you believe is causing the noise in question ?
Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related to your experiences, you bring up your experiences in that thread. After that, various people (usually different each time) respond, you respond to every message everyone writes, various people respond to all your messages, and we go down the same path again. I'm not calling this noise to belittle the problems in question. I don't necessarily agree with you, but I understand why you're upset. I'm calling this noise because it doesn't change anything, and because no matter how many times we go down this same discussion pattern, it's not going to change anything. It's just emotional venting, of the same emotions that have been vented many, many times before. We've been having exactly the same discussion in exactly the same way for something like two years now, and no one's mind is at this point going to change. In fact, the more that this comes up, the more set in concrete everyone's opinions are going to be, and the more people are going to develop knee-jerk reactions to the whole thing. > And what do you believe would stop it ? For everyone talking about these things, most definitely including everyone who responds to you when you bring up your experiences, to stop unless there is some concrete evidence that something specific and immediate is going to change. Having a GR is just going to result in another long discussion, some conclusion which some people will be happy with and some people won't be happy with, and no real incentive to stop talking about it still. It could change the situation for you personally if the GR overturns your suspension. I don't mean to imply it couldn't possibly do that. However, the discussion was specifically about the *noise*, and I don't see any sign that a GR would do anything about the noise, regardless of the outcome. It's painfully simple, so much so that it's a cliche, but it really does come down to deciding what may change and what won't and to stop spending energy, time, and resources on ineffectual things. There may be ways to change your situation (although given how many times the above pattern has been followed, I think that regardless of any merits the entire situation is now set in concrete), but discussing it publicly on mailing lists clearly isn't one of them, as has been demonstrated time and time again for more than a year now. I probably won't respond further to this thread, for all the reasons spelled out above. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
