(Quote attribution elided on purpose.) > Stop your FUD. > > The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract.
It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a violation of the Social Contract, on the part of the project as a whole, regardless of which individuals are making the decisions. I further think that including sourceless firmware in main is a DFSG violation. It is my firm belief that the decision to violate the SC with a release should be taken by the project as a whole, via a GR, and that individual members, whether delegated or not, cannot make that decision. Based on recent discussions it seems to me that the release team is attempting to release lenny speedily and taking on itself to decide that the SC violation is acceptable. Thus, I think Robert is correct: the release team is violating the Social Contract. Further, I find it unacceptable to attack him for attempting to discuss this (mostly in a constructive manner, no less) and attempting to have the project decide on this via a GR. I would find it unacceptable even if it turned out that Robert was wrong. We should refute his arguments by counter-arguments based on fact, not by harrassing him. So far, most people disagreeing with Robert seem to be counter-arguing him, not his arguments. I understand that the people most involved in release management find it very frustrating that the freeze is taking a long time, but taking that frustration out on Robert is not the way to solve this. I also understand that the firmware issue is quite controversial in Debian. That's a reason to think carefully, not to blast out personal attacks. Or, indeed, to blast out lots of e-mails on this topic at all. On the whole, this discussion has had little sanity, and even less thoughtfulness, courtesy, and civility. Shame on us. For the record, I'm all for releasing lenny with the current known sourceless firmware included, like we did for sarge and etch. Every release gets better than the previous in this regard, so there's progress. However, I do not see that the previous votes are justification for automatically taking the same decision for lenny, without voting. I might even vote for a decision to have a permanent release exception, although I wouldn't vote for including sourceless firmware in main. I admit that given how little I've helped with lenny during its entire development cycle I have little ground to stand on, but I am not going to let that get in my way to the soap box. Thank you for listening. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]