On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > Agreed, but would you agree that it is a core part of the role of the > DPL/2IC, or indeed any mediator, to provide at least basic status and > progress info to the project as a whole?
Yes, absolutely. Beside this specific case---which I'm pretty sure everyone in the project was aware of---we should not assume that the DPL is aware of all problems like this. The ideal course of actions IMO should be something like: either proactively or pinged by someone the DPL is made aware of a problem like this one, he/she tries a mediation informing the project of the effort, keeps the project posted for a while, if that fails we fallback to tech-ctte. I agree with Russ comments on the matter, I think our (as a project) main responsibility in this specific case has been letting the issue be delayed this far. I believe that some of the year-old rants on -devel would have been much more useful if, instead of posting there, people would have opened an issue to the tech-ctte. > What we've been seeing with this issue is that there has been complete > silence for over three months. I think that a lot of the (heated) public > discussion could have avoided if some progress/status info would have been > provided at regular intervals. In fact, I think that a lot of the public > discussion was as direct result of the total lack of such information. > > What are the thoughts of candidates on that? I completely agree with your analysis on this. Several of the posts I've seen on -devel were clearly caused by the frustration of the involved people. Knowing that something was going on and, even better, being able to *see* what was going on (as it is right now the case with the -ctte bug log) would have saved quite same flame, IMHO. > Also, it has been claimed "we cannot provide any information because > discussions are in private" [1]. Do candidates agree to that, or do they > think that a DPL should make clear to parties in advance that the project > will be kept informed of status and progress (but of course not of > specifics). > > [1] References: > - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00078.html (+ following) My comment is in that very same thread already [2] (it is the latter of your options). Cheers. [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00096.html -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 z...@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie sempre uno zaino ...........| ..: |.... Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime
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