Hi Guillem,

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 01:01:44AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Moreover, none of the proponents of alternative init system seem
> to have expended much energy in seeking wide deployment of their
> solutions within Debian (or, with the exception of upstart, even
> updating the policy manual) before this binding ruling was sought.

Setting aside the question of whether the TC should take this decision
(which there's no point in discussing, as it's clearly your right to bring a
GR if you disagree on this), can I ask how you arrived at the conclusion
that not much energy has been expended on upstart in Debian?

I've actually spent quite a lot of time and energy on getting upstart, and
other base system packages, into a state that users should be able to switch
from sysvinit to upstart without regressions.  That means getting the
ifupdown integration in place, making sure lvm and network filesystems work
at boot, ensuring transparent handling of startpar dependencies on scripts
that are shadowed by native upstart jobs, etc.  It does *not* mean doing
very much work on pushing native upstart jobs to maintainers of leaf
packages; that should be secondary to getting a complete and correct base
into Debian.  But we certainly are at the point today where such jobs can be
implemented more widely in packages.

If you have a different standard for "seeking wide deployment", I'm
interested to know what it is.

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