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Hi zobel On 2020/05/22 14:40, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > This is a draft for a GR I would like to propose. <snip> I can't block you from doing a GR (and I certainly wouldn't want to!), but I'd like you to consider the variables and consequences one last time before posting such a GR. First, the Isreal local team are made up of highly competent Debian members. I trust them, and believe that they are able to make a good decision based on the available information. Yesterday in the DC20 announcement, they made it clear that they're putting feelers out there to gauge how many people feel confident that they'd actually be attending in person. As far as I understand, they intend to make a final decision on whether (or to which extent) DC20 will be an in-person event in about two weeks from now. I believe that this GR is putting the cart before the horse, and while I 100% understand (and to large extents agree) with its content, I do think that the DC team will end up making a good decision and that using such a GR to take that decision away from will just cause unnecessary anguish. Secondly, so far this month they're infection rate has been really low. Low enough so that they can still effectively do contact tracing and cluster control (which is basically a lost cause in most countries at the moment). They have a very good chance of having this virus under control very soon. There are other countries that are doing well too, for example New Zealand who are in the single digits with new infections, and China, which was the original epicenter, has learned to deal with this virus quite well too. I acknowledge that it's too soon to tell, but there is still a possibility that at least people from countries like that might be able to travel, and maybe DC20 ends up being really small, maybe just a few dozen people in person with mostly locals, but is that so bad? We're planning an online minidebconf for the end of the month, there might be another before DC20 is supposed to happen. This gives us a good oppertunity to hammer away at our online participation tools so that those who can't or do not wish to travel can still participate remotes. And I realise that this experience will never be the 1st class experience that a full in-person DebConf is, but at least we can have some form of annual event together, and forcing us to improve remote participation will help future DebConfs be better like that. It's currently a sore issue and more and more people choose not to travel for environmental reasons, so it's something we'll have to be better at in the future. *Phew*, I'm just going to take a breath and say sorry for all the text so far... but there's more... Thirdly, if the specific event is totally cancelled, do you feel that the DC20 team should just lose their slot? Even if you move it to next year, the situation might still be somewhat similar to this year by then (and besides, the India team has already won for next year). If they get postponed (to 2022) instead of cancelled, do you realise that the political debates surrounding a DebConf in Israel will start afresh and that many people really don't want to be dragged through that again? I want to state again that I 100% agree with your sentiment regarding physical meetings, but DC20 was initially planned before the epidemic started. If they can manage to do a nano-scale DebConf and do it safely, why not let them? Or if they decide to let them do it online only, let it be their choice and responsibility to make. I think the chances of people from Africa, Europe, India, South America or North America being able to travel to Israel before the end of the year is super slim anyway, so I'd ask you to reconsider this GR and at least see what the DebConf team comes up with first. If they manage to either figure out the details to do either a tiny scale DebConf or an online DebConf, then we might still preserve most of the secured sponsorship, enjoy some level of interaction and problem solving online, and be able to wrap up DebConf in Israel this year and start to worry about the situation in India instead. So again, I'd ask you to consider the above at least one more time before posting that GR. - -Jonathan - -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <jcc> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Debian, the universal operating system. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExyA8CpIGcL+U8AuxsB0acqyNyaEFAl7IFR4ACgkQsB0acqyN yaHGnRAAsPab6v9gCgo2YK4UtmPztIpdSuGZkMSSBENNCZjCZo1fVsr1tPSllDQd MleamsrIGCI7+6ZUq4NH1LAm+9lx1UDzkvzH748d2r0LiV8BncXeHo2nWkBeWCKY /hUrhYdhSKtFuNOp3yDwFB8rB5xIdyBLDCudS8Us5sOAzpI3+cvlbmo86Qzq/KMG A877e8Ef/W/MzvGkE+sQaW5eMdD2KdDfqOxMZ0sPEK4i8pQzfHrZJoWiwj1roprc WWbdEb4n0/5ayLhrd+3ojsTrimGOq+KVdZZoFwN5fJnW54SlvBbzXWRrHQx2ODwm NDx+ALxbIJlrf6+G2RdIuESMtBx3dP3aP0uGD2/ZWBpiNBtJKFJnf3z5tAAPdC1t +ppk981/OQQd38FeUpifOS9gbs+qzpvr4tel1t+5ynT/rLymx/Mg23CVZnIfng79 /FvL4fEC7djgr0Pcb68UBefzmUj2nKYwN3ASKWbSATBjGIJstg7e8JX30OqDjU/b M597JeZzk1Jh1cHJOym99UtwipBXrzj1NQTPHTF66YLneNE4v2YLm3O5tsFSZc6v dwYWJr6F19MLROb5BGAYQvafNEnVxEe3wNxSTW4i+d5+c8uKyj3nQQCdwCkJTs0v EfgpEtw6m6FelWK3iHG0UBcw0DviRfct3GtilMArLALUX4gjWm0= =cOqf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----