Felix Lechner <felix.lech...@lease-up.com> writes: > On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 9:49 AM Russ Allbery <r...@debian.org> wrote:
>> If your point is, instead, that Wouter's general system is undesirable >> yes, I largely agree > Without reflecting on either proposal, I merely cautioned that > constitutional amendments should be based on sound premises. ...okay? I truly don't understand why you felt moved to caution me about that, but sure, I agree with that principle. I believe my constitutional amendment is based on sound premises; if I didn't, I wouldn't have made it. :) > As to the point between you and Wouter, is there perhaps a simpler > measure when a discussion is over—such as one week without a proposal > that attracted at least three novel supporters (in total)? I think this is functionally equivalent to Wouter's proposal except even weaker (you've replaced 6 with 3), so I would prefer Wouter's proposal to that one. I suppose the counter-balance is that you say "proposal," by which I assume you mean ballot option, so each group wanting to delay further has to produce a concrete proposal, but that makes me less comfortable with it because it creates an incentive to essentially "spam" the ballot with proposals in order to achieve the desired goal of extending the discussion period. Wouter's proposal seems better since it allows people to ask directly for what they want (a delay) without having to work around the spirit of the rules to achieve it. This is also an advantage of Wouter's proposal over mine: my system also creates an incentive to add a ballot option only to extend the discussion period. That's also not ideal; I just couldn't see a way of avoiding it without adding what felt like too much complexity. In my system, that extension is limited to (normally) an additional week (the intent is to give people some time to absorb the implications of a new proposal), so I think the incentive for new ballot options as a procedural maneuver rather than a true option is lesser and probably won't be an issue in practice. I also wanted to allow addition of a placeholder option that could be fleshed out later, and this seemed the simplest way to do that. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
