Hi,
I think we can establish a limitation between "secret" and "wiser
secret". I can understand that making vote transparent and secret is
likely not possible. And I am not sure that it is the purpose. The
purpose is not to see displayed on a public website one name related to
a GR and a vote. In other words, while I dont think someone will do a
detailed investigation to know who voted what (most people just will not
want to spend energy for this), anyone, including with malicious
purpose, can visit a web page to see what I voted and do harasment then.
While I accept not to be in a full secret, as I am not afraid with
persons who can do harasment to spend so energy to find this info in a
deep server or via a hash or whatever, I am worry bif any mad guy can
see what I voted about a GR as I know the person will not hesitate to
attack me. Again, we have an example of this, of high flame, during RMS
GR, and while the most radical persons probably did not want to do deep
investigations about voters, I think they were ready to visit a page and
go after voters. I dont know if it happent effectively, but given how
the vote happent with trials to disturb after the campaign time, it is
possible.
The last thing which may justify a such ballot is the idea that "if you
dont want to see your name related to a vote, just dont vote, you dont
have to do it, you are free". this may be acceptable for political GRs,
but more a problem for ambiguous situations.
Hence the importance to make secret possible at least, if not general
and mandatory.
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Debian Developer non uploading
Community team member
Accessibility team member
debian-l10n-french team member
President of Debian France non-profit organization
Le 04/03/2022 à 12:41, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 12:14:56PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
Mattia Rizzolo <mat...@debian.org> wrote on 04/03/2022 at 12:03:22+0100:
[[PGP Signed Part:Signature made by expired key 0816B9E18C762BAD Mattia Rizzolo
<mat...@mapreri.org> ]]
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 10:42:51AM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
Reaffirm public voting
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Since we can either have secret and intransparent voting, or we can have
open and transparent voting, the project resolves to leave our voting
system as it is.
Rationale:
The GR proposal for secret voting is silent on implenentation details,
probably because secret and transparent voting is, well, impossible to
achieve fully, so this GR is bound to a similar fate as the 'publish
debian-private' vote, which was voted for and then was never implemented.
A voting system which is transparent only to some, is undemocratic and
will lead to few people in the know, which is diagonal to Debians goals
of openness and transparency.
And then, early 2022 is not the time for rushed changes like this, which
is also why I explicitly want to see "keep the status quo" on the ballot,
and not only as "NOTA", but as a real option.
I'm seeking sponsors for this amendment to the current GR.
Assuming you meant this as "this ballot" instead of "this amendment"
(following the new GR flow), I sponsor this.
If I were to add my thoughts: political GRs don't belong in Debian,
please take them elsewhere. For non-political votes there is no use
for private voting.
Is init systems GR a political GR?
I'm pretty sure some gave double thoughts before voting because of the
shitstorm/flame that had happened before the vote.
Not only that, but also conflicts of interest involving an employer may
have influence over a non-political vote (or the willingness to vote).
This has been argued already it seems.
Bests,
--
Tiago