Should not I are not testing the email address. I am testing the mail server
HELO and RDNS strings. Cellphones does not send directly they relay their
messages through a server.


Kevin Bilbee

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Spence
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
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>
>
> Correct me if I am wrong here, but wouldn't an email sent from a cell
> phone or PDA cause this behavior as well?
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> Danny Spence
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
>
> Agreed I would never delete on the one test, (except my personal black
> list), I would weight the email. A reverse DNS endty should never return
> an
> ip address. If the HELO is an ip it should should be in the form of
> [a.b.c.d] from my understanding. But if I reverse a.b.c.d I should not
> get
> a.b.c.d I should get host.example.com. If they do not want ot follow
> standards that is fine but I am going to add weight to their email. that
> is
> why I run Declude to weight emails that do not wollow standards.
>
> I host coorporate email for my promary company and a few sister
> companies so
> I have the ability to be a little stricter and if I do get a false
> positive
> I work with the customer/ISP of our customer to fix what is
> broken/non-standard.
>
>
> Kevin Bilbee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 3:20 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
> >
> >
> > We've seen some legitimate mailers with an IP for the HELO, which
> matches
> > the reverse DNS.  I certainly wouldn't recommend holding, much less
> > deleting, on any one test.
> >
> > Darin.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:41 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
> >
> >
> > 99.9% is good enough and better than most RBLs especially in a
> weighted
> > system. I have modified my code and am going to test for a few days
> using
> > the ROUTETO action to inspect te emails for false positives.
> >
> > If I find the test acceptable I will post a new version of
> > contains IP with
> > documentation.
> >
> >
> > Thanks to thoes who have given feedback,
> > Kevin Bilbee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt
> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:20 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
> > >
> > >
> > > I would say that 99.9% is probably accurate here, and while that's
> > > pretty good, it might cause more issues than benefit depending on
> your
> > > system if you added extra weight for this condition.  There is
> > > unfortunately software out there, or at least configurations that
> will
> > > insert IP's into the reverse DNS entry and also use that as the
> HELO.
> > > For instance, if you name your Windows server with an IP'd entry,
> that
> > > will get used by default in the HELO for MS SMTP if I'm not
> mistaken.
> > > It would only be 99.9% accurate due to the sheer volume of zombie
> spam
> > > however that uses this method, but I believe that there are a
> measurable
> > > number of exceptions that may or may not work in a particular
> weighting
> > > scheme.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Colbeck, Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > >Kevin, I suspect that you're right, and that 99.9% of the
> > time, your rule
> > > >would hold true.
> > > >
> > > >I would suggest that the IP address in the HELO would have to match
> the
> > > >reverse DNS exactly, though.
> > > >
> > > >I also think that it this observation would also hold true if
> > > the HELO is an
> > > >IP address and there is no reverse lookup, or the reverse lookup
> > > times out.
> > > >
> > > >I think running that as a test for a while would bear that out;
> > > let us know
> > > >if you code that up and want to test it on some more systems...
> > > >
> > > >Andrew 8)
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Kevin Bilbee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:09 PM
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I was looking through my smaps and legitimate email. I have noticed
> an
> > > >interesting thing. When there is an ip address in the hello
> > and the hello
> > > >matches the reverse dns then it is always spam. I can not find
> > > one example
> > > >of a legitimate email that has these properties.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >What do you think???
> > > >
> > > >I can update my contains ip test to support this type of test
> also????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Bilbee
> > > >
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