Great discussion here guys, the SOX guidelines for retention are very open ended, bottom line is that if a company is mandated to produce documents they better produce those documents and they better produce them in a reasonable amount of time. Body searching is essential to being able to do a thorough retrieval.

Pete, I think you have a good idea there and I would certainly be interested in looking at your product. I have spent the past two weeks looking for a reasonably priced canned solution and have yet to find one. The coolest product I found was made by iLumin but it was $150,000, many out sourced archiving companies are built around this technology and are very high priced as well.

There is certainly a market out there for a reasonably priced archiving solution for small to medium sized businesses. Not only would a solution for SEC and SOX compliance be useful but any company that wanted to protect themselves against or help in employee litigation cases would find it useful. Another simple use would be to retrieve lost email or "accidentally deleted" email in POP3 environments.

A basic archive to start with would be great and then maybe in the future add the ability to index and search attachment content :-)

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 10:44:32 PM, Matt wrote:

M> Patrick Childers wrote:

Hi Pete,
I think your gut is right. I'm pretty sure that I have 2 clients that would
be quite interested in "SOXsniffer". <g>




M> Not to debate the applicability of the technology, but you shouldn't M> proceed under the assumption that government regulators are out there M> giving IT staff lists of words to be used in "full-text search" of M> E-mail archives. That is not the law, and it is not how subpoenas are M> issued.

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All really appreciated Matt.

I think the point is that the basic requirements can easily be met,
and the search capability, which can be very useful in mundane and
even positive circumstances, can be provided without a significant
additional effort.

So, for a very low cost, those who might not otherwise be able to
afford the high-end systems you allude to can have the core of a
fairly robust capability. I'm sure that core capability can and will
be extended as needed if I do the job right.

No assumptions here about marketability or suitability - only a raw
capability that has a high potential for a low cost... and, based on
my own experiences, having this kind of thing "in your back pocket"
can be very powerful. I can recall times when a mechanism like this
would not only have saved me days - even weeks of work, but also would
have provided a significant competitive advantage.

Consider auditing an engineering (or any large) project near
completion or after initial deployment. The ability to extract all
correspondence on the project in an inexpensive and orderly fashion is
mind-bendingly powerful. -- Dump the results into a searchable mail
archive system and you have a searchable, threaded reference that you
didn't know you would need "until now".

Or... when "the boss" comes down and says: "I need you to tell me
_exactly_ what happened here..." in that uncomfortable way that only
pointy-haired fellows can really achieve... Been there, done that, got
the t-shirt and the bumper sticker. It just makes you shiver.

(Where would we be without Dilbert?)

Anyway - I recognize your point about setting an appropriate policy. I
just make hammers... I'll let other folks drive the nails where they
are needed ;-)

This is now decidedly off topic for Declude.
Sorry for the extra bandwidth.

Best all,

_M


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