> Please don't assume that you have any idea how my policies are set.

I'm  not  assuming:  you've made some of them public. For example, you
touted  day-of-week  and hour tests as effective gauges of spamminess.
Note  that  I  don't disagree at all with your conclusions about these
tests.  I  mention  such  positions  to  show  that they are certainly
counter   to  your  prior  claim  that  RFC-compliance  alone  ensures
legitimacy.

More important, since it would be impossible to get real effectiveness
out of any anti-spam solution without following internal policies that
countermand  RFC  compliance, it is safe to say that _everyone_ who is
satisfied  with  Declude does not treat the RFC compliance of incoming
sessions/messages as grounds for whitelisting!

You  simply  wouldn't  be here if you took that much stock in RFCs; it
doesn't matter that you haven't revealed your whole config. AFAIK, the
only people who treat the RFCs with that much respect are the academic
anti-spam-is-fascism  advocates  (at least, those few who are actually
sincere and not trolls for the direct matrketing industry).

> Good  to  know,  next  time  I have to make sure that my servers can
> communicate  properly  with  the  rest of the world, I'll be sure to
> check  the  relevant  case law first. After all, I'm sure the courts
> will help me do a much better job than by following the RFCs.

Don't  really  see much there to mock, but knock yourself out. US Code
protects your right to restrict the use of domains you own in any MAIL
FROM.  The law therefore protects your ability to publish policies for
your  domain  that  are  expressly  intended  to  affect how and where
non-owners  of  your  domain may use the domain, as long as (and I did
mention  this  caveat  before)  such  protection does not contradict a
right  expressly  granted by a separate contract. There is no generic,
assumed right that a non-owner has to the use of a domain.

Look,  I  know you're very put out by SPF. You know you don't have the
kind  of  userbase, and the kind of relationship with your users, that
would  let you publish a policy. That's just fine. I have clients that
can't publish SPF either, so I'm not telling you that you have to find
a way to make it work. I'm telling you that it does work for some very
significant  domains,  domains  with  very  large legal departments at
that,  and  there is no legal argument against it. There may be an RFC
argument  against  it  --  *if*  in every area you treat RFC-compliant
senders  as  trusted  senders.  But  I think due to the nature of this
mailing  list,  there  is  a  justifiable presumption of guilt in that
department.

--Sandy


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