Todd -
I will second David on this - Alligate is the best gateway - no question
about it - and it does integrate perfectly with Declude.
-Nick
David Barker wrote:
Hi Todd,
Alligate has way better greylisting capabilities than SmarterMail.
SmarterMails implementation is somewhat dangerous. You need to be able
to accurately qualify which messages should be greylisted. Alligate is
the only greylisting implementation that does this. I don't believe
you would have this problem if you were running Interceptor or the
Alligate/Declude combination, and I am sure other Alligate/Declude
users would agree with me.
If you are interested, I can work with you to give you an upgrade path
to Declude Interceptor from your current license.
David Barker
VP Operations Declude
Your Email security is our business
978.499.2933 office
978.988.1311 fax
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*From:* supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] *On Behalf Of
*Todd Richards
*Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:11 PM
*To:* declude.junkmail@declude.com
*Subject:* RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BackScatter
Thanks Craig. From all indications our server is tightened down
pretty good right now. We moved from Imail to SM at the start of
April, and I implemented grey listing at the start of May. So we did
have a fair amount of backscatter in between until I really understood
what greylisting could do.
Unfortunately, I can't talk the bosses into dropping another $800 or
so to try and fix the problem. I know others have used ASSP with
success, so I might look at that. SmarterMail's greylisting seems to
be a lot better than what the rules in Declude offer.
I might look at implementing ASSP in front of SM. I've heard a lot of
people talk about the advantages of running something in front of your
mail server. So it might be time.
Todd
*From:* supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] *On Behalf Of
*Craig Edmonds
*Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:53 PM
*To:* declude.junkmail@declude.com
*Subject:* RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BackScatter
Hi Todd,
I think grey listing prevents backscatter coming INTO your mail
server, it does not prevent you getting on blacklists.
If you are on a blacklist then I think you need to figure out how your
smtp server is configured because it would indicate an issue somewhere.
Since using Alligate (www.alligate.com <http://www.alligate.com>) as
the first line of defence in front of declude, we have had zero black
listings and all the backscatter has disappeared. The backscatter
rules in declude really blow which is why I would highly recommend
looking at Alligate as your smtp gateway.
Kindest Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com <http://www.123marbella.com/>
E : cr...@123marbella.com <mailto:cr...@123marbella.com>
*From:* supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] *On Behalf Of
*Michael Graveen
*Sent:* 16 May 2009 13:54
*To:* declude.junkmail@declude.com
*Subject:* re: [Declude.JunkMail] BackScatter
I think Greylisting reduces backscatter. Greylisting stops the
majority of the SPAM from ever reaching our mail server, so it never
has a chance to get bounced back because of a non existent user, etc.
Mike
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Hi Everyone -
We've been having a few issues with mail servers refusing our mail.
Today I ran a test on DNSStuff and found that our IP is on
BackScatter.org. They are referencing an event on 4/27, and
supposedly we will be removed after 4 weeks if they haven't had any
other issues. Of course we can pay to have it removed sooner. I'm
not sure if being listed in their DB is the main culprit to the server
refusals that I've seen?
We switched over to SmarterMail in mid-April. Since 4/27, we have
implemented grey listing.
Is grey listing a good first line of defense? Is there anything else
I should be doing to prevent back scatter?
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Todd
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