On Thu, 2024-08-15 at 10:16 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> To remove the stems, I tried a few different workarounds by using
> both 'Insert
> LilyPond' commands and Denemo features.
So there doesn't seem to be a hide stem feature in Denemo. Resorting to
inserting LilyPond syntax the following is an example of what you need:
\attachGraces #1/4 c4 \grace {\once \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic
\once \hide Stem \parenthesize c8 \once \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic
\once \hide Stem \parenthesize c8}
I expect you could get something more eloquent by using doing the
overrides without the \once and using \revert at the end of the grace
notes to continue with normal noteheads and stems, but Denemo doesn't
have any commands to do that.
It does not seem trivial to modify the current denemo after grace
command to achieve the positioning of these overrides, I've filed a bug
report.
HTH
Richard
>
> (ex. grace-1)
> Directives->Insert LilyPond
> \once \hide Stem
>
> as well as denemo features:
>
> Notes/Rests->Notehead Types->Choose Notehead->Harmonic
> Notes/Rests->Markings->Text/Symbol->Glissando
>
> (ex. grace-2)
> Directives->Insert Lilypond
> \once\afterGrace 3/4
> Directives->Insert LilyPond
> \once \hide Stem
>
> as well as denemo features:
>
> Notes/Rests->Notehead Types->Choose Notehead->Harmonic
> Notes/Rests->Beaming->No Beam (perhaps unnecessary)
> Notes/Rests->Markings->Text/Symbol->Glissando
> Notes/Rests->Parenthesize Note
>
> (ex. grace-3)
>
> Notes/Rests->Notehead Types->Choose Notehead->Harmonic
> Notes/Rests->Grace Notes->Grace After (On/Off)
>
> As you can see, this example crashes denemo.
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 12:43:41 AM PDT Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 15:54 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > Hi Richard,
> > >
> > > To be clear, should I make that change in my own LilyPond text,
> >
> > yes, that is a workaround
> >
> > > or has the
> > >
> > > change been made in the \afterGrace command itself?
> >
> > I haven't had time to make a fix yet. Could you say what command
> > you
> > used for removing the stem as I made need to fix that too - I will
> > need
> > to look at other possible cases too...
> > yours
> > Richard
> >
> > > thanks,
> > > Donald
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:31:39 AM PDT Richard Shann
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 10:18 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > UPDATE:
> > > > >
> > > > > I started completely from scratch. This is the order I used:
> > > > >
> > > > > Insert 2 grace notes, selected eighth note rhythm, deleted
> > > > > one of
> > > > > the
> > > > > notes,
> > > > > deleted the slur that was automatically added, changed to
> > > > > eighth
> > > > > note
> > > > > duration
> > > > > on grace note, THEN selected Grace After On/Off...
> > > > >
> > > > > And that changed the position correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe that the order in which I placed the notes was the
> > > > > problem.
> > > > > When
> > > > > placing and altering the notes (remove stem, add parentheses)
> > > > > and
> > > > > THEN
> > > > > selecting Grace After, there was no effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm having difficulty altering the grace note (altering
> > > > > notehead
> > > > > to
> > > > > harmonic, removing stem, adding parentheses).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible that Grace After doesn't allow for further
> > > > > alterations
> > > > > of grace
> > > > > notes?
> > > >
> > > > I just tested changing the notehead style and parenthesizing
> > > > the
> > > > note
> > > > and there is indeed a bug - while \parenthesize does position
> > > > itself
> > > > well for the application of after grace the notehead style does
> > > > not
> > > > -
> > > > it appears before the \grace in the output, which the
> > > > \attachGraces
> > > > does not like. I moved it inside the \grace {} construct thus:
> > > >
> > > > MvmntIVoiceI = {
> > > > \attachGraces #3/4 c'1 \grace {\once \override
> > > > NoteHead.style
> > > > = #'harmonic \parenthesize f'8} \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > and that is fine.
> > > > I don't know what command you use the get no stem, but you may
> > > > have
> > > > the
> > > > same problem with that - altering the order may fix that too.
> > > > HTH
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 9:11:28 AM PDT Donald J.
> > > > > Stewart
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Richard,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did start with the Grace After feature but it didn't seem
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > change the
> > > > > > grace note position and in Print View it appears in measure
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > where it
> > > > > > appears in Denemo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've changed the default 'fractional position' of 3/4 to
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > fractions, but it still stays in exactly the same place --
> > > > > > which is
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > the barline and near the following note. At first I thought
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > turning
> > > > > > the feature On and Off each time I applied the feature, but
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > seem to be the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems that no matter what I do -- delete the grace note,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > start a new
> > > > > > one -- it doesn't make the change.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm using Andreas' 2.6.38 build for Debian/Ubuntu.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was only then that I tried the LilyPond \afterGrace
> > > > > > command
> > > > > > which changed
> > > > > > the grace note position, but then moved the following
> > > > > > quarter
> > > > > > note
> > > > > > out of
> > > > > > the next measure, pushing everything else out of rhythmic
> > > > > > alignment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd rather stay within Denemo to make these changes. Is
> > > > > > there a
> > > > > > possibility
> > > > > > the Grace After feature has been deactivated on my build or
> > > > > > system?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donald
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 2:31:18 AM PDT Richard Shann
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 2024-08-13 at 15:23 -0700, Donald J. Stewart
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm trying to move a grace note to 'attach' itself to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > > immediately preceding it by using
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Directives->Insert LilyPond
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and inserting
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > \afterGrace
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denemo has a command to manage the LilyPond syntax for
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > graces:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Command: Grace After (Off/On)
> > > > > > > The grace note(s) at the cursor will be typeset close to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > previous
> > > > > > > note, rather than attaching to the music that follows. It
> > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > spaced from the note at the fraction of the duration
> > > > > > > given.
> > > > > > > (OFF/ON)
> > > > > > > Location: Object Menu ▶ Notes/Rests ▶ Grace Notes
> > > > > > > Internal Name: GraceAfter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The current version (2.6.34) allows you to say how close
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > preceding note you want the grace note to come.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > as per the LilyPond Notation Reference
> > > > > > > > https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/notation/grace-note
> > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It does pull the grace note to that note, but it also
> > > > > > > > pulls
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > > after it into the same measure -- which consequently
> > > > > > > > takes
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > out of
> > > > > > > > the correct measure. (marked in red)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you're question is about LilyPond syntax you will get
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > expert help from lilypond-u...@gnu.org - I consulted them
> > > > > > > myself
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > the other day. In any case you will need to provide a
> > > > > > > short
> > > > > > > example
> > > > > > > showing the syntax you are using (you can get this by
> > > > > > > copying
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > pasting from the LilyPond View in Denemo).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
>
