hi thanks for the inkscape palette, very useful;)
but still didn't understand what's going on about tango. will this palette be replaced by the tango palette? greetings tobias Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 22:54 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > Hi Tobias! > > A quick reply ... > > Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 19:33 +0100 schrieb Tobias Bernard: > > hi > > > > colored border: > > i think that the chosen colors for draw and impress simply don't look > > good. the problem with yellow and orange ist, that, if the color is > > light, there's not enough contrast on light backgrounds. so, for > > generally appliable icons a dark border is needed. but since some > > colors, when made dark look weird, maybe a general border is the best > > way to go. > > We discussed that some time ago, but we came to the conclusion that > colored icons will work. Especially, since we have to keep in mind that > we have quite some icons that need proper differentiation. > > > that's why i think a black border for all icons would be best. > > if that's not possible, i would at least change the colors for draw and > > impress a bit. > > Okay, proposals are welcome of course. But at the moment, I feel bound > to these colors, since they are defined within our branding guidelines > and are re-used in several places. The colors have been developed in > several iterations, so I think we are close to a good result. > > > pictograms: > > in my opinion, too complex symbols should be avoided, even for the big > > icons. i'm thinking of a "logo" for any application, a monochromatic > > symbol that can be used for both small and big icons. > > this would make the symbols more recognizable. > > just as an example for such icons: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/3/31/LibO_icons_draft.png > > Well, that was one of the starting points - Bernhard was (of course) > part of the icon activity, and (I hope it's okay to say that) he also > drive the symbolism / methaphor discussion. > > And again, we have to keep in mind that there are several human > interface guidelines (e.g. Windows, Mac OS X) that require different > icons. And our current style even comes not close to their requirements > - they would require even more detail and color. So please consider also > external requirements ... > > > so, i'll maybe make a suggestion for the icons within the next days. > > we'll see;) > > > > yes, i'm intersted to join the design team, but i've yet not read > > everything about it in the wiki^^ > > maybe in the next few days... > > Okay, that would be great. Maybe then it's easier to understand what > we've done so far - here is the link to the icon summary: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/CurrentWorkStatus#LibreOffice_Icons > > And to also answer the question in your other mail - the currently valid > color palette for the icons and other marketing material can be found > here (including palettes for Inkscape and The Gimp, see resources): > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Colors > > > greetings > > tobias > > Kind regards, > Christoph > > > Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > > > > > Hi Tobias! > > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 16:37 +0100 schrieb Tobias Bernard: > > > > hi > > > > > > > > first of all, i'd like to say that i love libreoffice and would like to > > > > help you guys in some way. > > > > > > Great! And we love people who like to help us ;-) > > > > > > > these days, i've read that the new libreoffice icons are going to look > > > > like this: > > > > http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9MZR46ZEuS8/TURcYGZPRkI/AAAAAAAAAuE/si2R_93DT_M/s1600/New256pxIcons.png > > > > > > More or less, since these show only the huge icons - that are only used > > > in special cases (e.g. Mac OS X dock, Windows XP Preview, Windows 7). > > > > > > > i don't know if the icons will remain that way, but personally, i don't > > > > like how they are now. In my opinion, the main problems are: > > > > - the colored border: it's fine for blue and green, but yellow and > > > > orange look really bad > > > > > > Mmh, in what way - are they less distinctive, or do you think the chosen > > > color looks weird, or reminds of something? > > > > > > > - the pictograms inside the sheets: too comlex, too many colors that > > > > don't go with the border color > > > > > > That depends on the complexity. According to the wiki page, we decided > > > "Note: Basic symbolism will be used for 16px and (partly) 32 px icons. > > > If the icons are larger, then decoration elements can be added to make > > > them more pleasing." > > > > > > For example: > > > * Calc: Shows a diagram that is re-used for the Chart icon to show > > > the diagram in full size. The colors adapt the (currently used) > > > Sun Branding colors from within the chart dialog. I adapted them > > > to use the LibreOffice branding palette. That means, that the > > > colors are consistent to both the object, and the behavior > > > within LibreOffice. > > > * Draw: The green handle grips mimic the ones in Draw - also > > > "green". > > > > > > If you look at the smaller icons, there is less detail. Here is an > > > (outdated) example: > > > http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/01/libreoffice-initial-icons-milestone.html > > > > > > > so, my major suggestions are: > > > > - leave the border black/grey for all the icons > > > > > > We decided to go for the color, to better distinguish the main > > > applications from the important applications. I think, initially we had > > > the black/gray. > > > > > > By the way, we also decided (as the wiki page states, implicitly) to > > > re-use "our" document symbol for marketing reasons - instead of using a > > > standard document. Once LibreOffice and TDF is more known, we may roll > > > back to more default icons. > > > > > > > - choose some simple, monochromatic pictograms for the single programs > > > > > > See above please, the smaller icons work that way. > > > > > > > - maybe color the inner part of the sheet, instead of the border > > > > > > :-) I initially did that, and Nik proposed to change that, to better > > > mimic the idea of real paper pages for the document icons (currently > > > document icons and applications icons are the same). The team decided to > > > go that way ... > > > > > > Here is an old version with color: > > > http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/01/icon-as-con-i-can-2.html > > > > > > > i did these faenza-inspired libreoffice icons, because i didn't like to > > > > see the openoffice faenza icons on my gnome-desktop. When you see them, > > > > you'll have an idea of what I mean. > > > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=138257 > > > > > > Cool, thanks for sharing. But here we have to somehow consider the > > > guidelines of the other platforms as well. I think the current approach > > > fits somehow (even if not perfectly) on most of the platforms. What do > > > the others think? Personally, I'm currently perfectly happy with what > > > we've achieved so far and would like to address the many other work > > > items still left untouched ... maybe you can jump in here as well? > > > > > > > if that's possible, I'd like to help improving the icons, which i think > > > > don't have yet the style they deserve. > > > > > > Help is always appreciated, but as I said, I'm fine with the current > > > ones for the next few releases of LibreOffice. But if you want to > > > improve them, I propose to touch only a few ... that helps us to discuss > > > that within the team. > > > > > > But - maybe this might be even better - I'd like you to have a look at > > > the general Design Team stuff. We are currently kicking of our team, so > > > you might be interested - are you? Here is some starting point: > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off > > > > > > > i work with inkscape and gimp on ubuntu maverick. > > > > > > Great, at least these are my favorite FLOSS tools as well. > > > > > > > greetings > > > > tobias bernard > > > > > > Tobias, did that help somehow? Do you like to know more? Do the others > > > want to share their thoughts? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Christoph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
