Hey,

thanks Bernhard for your clearing words - I agree with what you say about
changing the logo. You might be right that the community accepts a change
towards the community branding (I'm not sure about companies who use it,
though).
Although funding is the main concern atm I have been working on the logo
this afternoon and tried to incorporate your citicism. You can see my
step-by-step improvement on my user page on the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey
I tried to explain every step I did and why I think it was necessary.
Finally, I've done a quick render in blender (see bottom of page).
Comments & critique as always welcome.

Thanks,
Joey

2011/2/22 Bernhard Dippold <bernh...@familie-dippold.at>

> Hi Joey, all,
>
> Johannes Bausch schrieb:
>
>> [...] For me it seems like we've already somehow
>> finalized the design on the "LibreOffice" logo. Do all of you (really
>> everyone) comply with the design? Because although we're aiming for a
>> community-based design, I would strongly discourage you (us) from
>> completely
>> changing the logo at such a late time. The logo itself is one of the most
>> important identifiers, so I would just work on the finishing. Because when
>> we have all that incredible amount of graphics and media and so on, who is
>> going to change the logo later on? Noone. Then we're stuck with what we
>> have.
>>
>
> I slightly disagree because of two reasons:
>
> Even if we came up now with a new logo, it would break what we have
> achieved by now. People have already produced marketing material, our logo
> has been presented to the public for nearly five months, two product
> versions contain it and have been marketed by this logo.
>
> So - if we "just" want to change the logo to something totally different,
> we are already too late.
>
> But: We can design a new logo and replace the present one, if there is a
> really good reason to do so. It has to be backed by a good marketing
> strategy, we probably need to combine this replacement with the release of a
> new major (or at least minor) product version.
>
> All this can be handled, provided that our users will follow us...
>
> With the community branding such a major positive effect can take place,
> strengthening our team and the community's perception in public. I can't
> tell you how the logo will look like after this effort: It might be kept
> (nearly) as it is, modified partially by keeping the general design language
> or changed more radically.
>
> Let's see, what we can achieve in the meantime.
>
>  The logo is ok, but it has some flaws, as I've already pointed out. (some
>> of
>> which I've addressed, see e.g. the kerning issue in the wiki).
>>
>
> Just for reference:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg
>
> (Your logo_2 seems to fit more with the community branding)
>
> In my eyes slight modifications to the logo are possible, if they are small
> enough that people recognize it at the first glance.
>
> I reduced the space between symbol and text for the external logo, and
> caused by the different positions and sizes this logo looks different from
> the TDF logo.
>
> If you worked on kerning and ligatures of the logo text, this could be
> integrated in the main source quite soon.
>
> But I don't really like the "ffi" ligature: it looks a bit too "serif"
> instead of "sans". Perhaps it's just me..
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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