http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/a/aa/Project_Renaissance_Impress_OOoCon2010.pdf
Here you find some data about how the average user uses openoffice, this was insightful for me looking into the issue as person who like to see numbers behind decisions. Thanks for the suggestion again on starting a wiki and a building off/tweaking Renaissance... JL On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, jlopez777 <jlopez...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Phil Jackson <sapi...@clear.net.nz>wrote: > >> Hi Scott >> >> You're right on target about the ineffective vertical space that MS allows >> for and I like some of your sample screens. The vertical Word menu is a very >> clear way of presenting options without any ambiguity. >> >> I'd like to work more closely with you on these types of design decisions. >> Have a look at Design\Whiteboards\InterfaceImprovement and get back to me >> with your thoughts. The more of the design team in favour of a more usable >> approach increases the chances of getting changes made. >> > > I agree! I think we should start a wiki (or start working on a wiki already > in existence for this purpose) and some PRINCIPALS we can lay out to move > forward. I think most can agree that our main principal is a LibreOffice > "Facelift" update of some sorts...whether its a ribbon-ish or a vertical > supertoolbar or a hybrid of the two could be what we decide on later. > > So who is in? > > > JL > >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Jackson >> >> >> >> >> On 5/27/2011 2:45 AM, Scott Pledger wrote: >> >>> Hey all! >>> >>> Sorry its been so long!! This is a topic that I've put a lot of thought >>> into >>> and one which I would love to work both the design and implementation >>> sides >>> of. Personally, I have an extreme dislike of the way that MS Office >>> handles >>> its ribbon layout. When you combine the Office 2011 ribbon and massive >>> taskbar found in Windows 7, the default set-up uses around 3 inches of >>> vertical space on my widescreen laptop, which means I have all of 5 (ish) >>> inches of viewing space to actually see the document I am working on, >>> whereas I still have all 10 or so inches horizontally that is mostly >>> wasted >>> space. I think that the shift in the way that monitor manufacturers >>> design >>> new products is something that almost every other office software has >>> essentially ignored. I think that this above almost anything else should >>> take precedent with any kind of UI redesign because this shift in >>> paradigm >>> doesn't seem to be going away, no matter how much I wish it would. >>> >>> With this in mind, I think that using a context-based toolbar system is >>> essential. For instance, when I have an image selected, I see little to >>> no >>> reason for a font/text-formatting toolbar to be visible nor do I think >>> that >>> having floating toolbars just pop up is the best solution as the eye is >>> attracted to movement and this is a major distraction. Having a static >>> area >>> on the screen where these context-based toolbars might appear would make >>> a >>> lot of sense because we can just fade the toolbars in (or something along >>> those lines) based on what the user has selected without drastic screen >>> changes. Also, I think that another great feature of a redesign might be >>> previews of what effect clicking on a button would have on the document. >>> For instance, hovering the cursor over the 'Bold' button would show in >>> the >>> preview area how clicking this would affect the text in question. >>> >>> Additionally, I definitely agree with Bernhard that we really need to >>> have a >>> single place to throw ideas around. >>> >>> These are just a few of the details that I've been thinking about with >>> the >>> posts I sent about a month ago of a design concept (source can be >>> downloaded >>> at http://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.odg or as a >>> pdf >>> at http://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.pdf ). Its >>> really early on right now and just details the basic idea, but I think it >>> could serve as a good starting point for a UX overhaul. Thoughts anyone? >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 07:13, Bernhard Dippold< >>> bernh...@familie-dippold.at >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> sorry for stepping in here so late, especially as this topic has been >>>> discussed over and over again in OOo UX (Renaissance) and here >>>> in LibreOffice too. >>>> >>>> Irrelevant of the fact that some people understand the word "ribbon" >>>> as a red flag they start to rant against, we neither copy any >>>> competitor's >>>> design decisions without really good reasons nor we drop support to >>>> our present users just because we want to establish something "new" >>>> and "cool". >>>> >>>> I'm quite sure that we'll be able to combine a static menu structure >>>> with >>>> a context sensitive one and provide this to the user in an easy-to-use >>>> and eye-pleasing way. And this structure will be at least as >>>> configurable >>>> as the present UI. >>>> >>>> You all are right that this needs thorough development and research - >>>> it's one of our most important tasks for the next months and years. >>>> >>>> But please stop discussing the word "ribbon" and what MS created >>>> by using this word - this keeps us away from real work on LibreOffice >>>> design. >>>> >>>> Create a wiki page containing our UI goals - for all of our target >>>> groups. >>>> >>>> Start defining the context sensitive areas and find out how they can be >>>> accessed via static menus without double effort. >>>> >>>> Have a look what Renaissance already did on OOo - and use these >>>> results as basis for your own work. >>>> >>>> We have many areas where our presence is really important - this topic >>>> is one of them. >>>> >>>> But we should avoid to discuss details like graphical approach, menu >>>> positioning and so on: The first thing to do is defining the >>>> functionality >>>> - form >>>> will follow function when we really know how it should work... >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> Bernhard >>>> >>>> PS: And please keep in mind, that we need to convince our developers to >>>> work >>>> in this area - otherwise none of our ideas will come true... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > > -- > Joed Lopez > > -- Joed Lopez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
