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> Am 05.02.2018 um 11:47 schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho <mota.pr...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Working on papercut bugs is somewhat crucial.
> If the user experience with each module of Libre Office demands that the user 
> has to use work-arounds to get work done in LO then he will just use other 
> officesuites where he won't face those same issues.
> Getting someone to fix those issues would be crucial.
> 
> An example in Calc like the one Renon posted in Impress is this one:
> 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53300 
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53300>
> 
> A bug that exists since Open Office days... With LO and the TDF constantly 
> bragging about having cleaned up so many bugs in LO it's unforgivable that UX 
> bugs like this one are still lingering from Open Office days.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Michel RENON <re...@mr-consultant.net 
> <mailto:re...@mr-consultant.net>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 31/01/2018 à 21:48, Heiko Tietze a écrit :
> [...]
> GSoC
> 
>   * Full list of ideas https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-GSoC_Ideas 
> <https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-GSoC_Ideas>
>   * Public list 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#User_Interface 
> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#User_Interface>
> 
> Here are some suggestions based on my recent experience in teaching 
> LibreOffice and writing a python macro :
> 
> 
> 
> Impress : work on "papercut" bugs
> ----------------------------------
> 
> 
> 1 - Animations sets for a text box with several paragraphs don't affect new 
> paragraphs (not inherited)
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57581 
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57581>
> 
> This is the most annoying problem that new users face :
>   - they create a slide with few lines of text,
>   - they add an animation on the text, to make it appear line by line
>   - they test : it works correctly
>   - they add one line of text (inside or at the end)
>   - they test and boom... the animation is "broken"
>   - they make a pause, then... close impress and open powerpoint...
> 
> 
> 
> 2 - Editing: Text spacing changes when click in textbox
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89060 
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89060>
> 
> It is a subtle but very annoying visual effect.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Python macros
> ----------------
> 
> 
> I had to create a macro embedded in a file.
> As I had not written basic for a long time, I tried to write it in python.
> 
> The fist problem is that on Ubuntu, it is necessary to install a specific 
> package 'libreoffice-script-provider-python'
> 
> 
> The second problem is that, by default, there is no tool to integrate a 
> python macro in a document.
> I found the APSO extension [1] that allows that and is very useful.
> 
> I found some difficult points in writing python macro with that extension :
>   - after modifying a python script, you have to close and re-open the odf 
> file
>   - some inline documentation is missing : about API, and some sample code
>   - the context (available via XSCRIPTCONTEXT) is missing some API, compared 
> to basic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So here are my suggestions for GSoC :
>   - allow an easy activation of python support : a simple button would 
> download and install all necessary packages
>   - integrate the functionality of APSO (to allow embedding/managing python 
> script in odf file)
>   - remove the need to re-open the odf file before using a new version of 
> python script
> 
> 
> 
> Other points can be done directly in the current extension :
>   - add some inline documentation about API [2]
>   - add inline documentation on both ways to use python script :
>     - an external script that connects to LibreOffice
>     - an internal script that get called by menu/button
>   - allow to create scripts empty or with comments (that provide minimum 
> documentation and good practice)
>   - add a library of sample code (a list of "how-to ?"), that can be easily 
> copied in script files
> 
> 
> Adding API to the context (available via XSCRIPTCONTEXT) can be done by 
> working on LibreOffice code :
> /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/pythonscript/py
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/apso-alternative-script-organizer-for-python
>  
> <https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/apso-alternative-script-organizer-for-python>
> 
> [2] based on very useful page 
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Python/Transfer_from_Basic_to_Python 
> <https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Python/Transfer_from_Basic_to_Python>
> 
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