First I don't think we need a default cause default is the standard
toolbars and all others aren't default arranged in a list.

If one should be preferred I go with tabbed toolbar cause the concept is
well known since 10 years and it scale pretty well. Groupedbar is for my
workflow better but I use a 24" uhdpi office screen on the 12" laptop I
would use tabbedbar or tabbed compact.

In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get
implemented in the different implementations.

Cheers
Andreas_k

jan <dittrich.c....@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 29. März 2018, 19:33:

> I would go with the tabbed bar.
>
> * It is somewhat scalable (e.g. for potential addons ) by adding tabs if
> really needed.
> * It is similar to the MS office style
> ** It makes it easier for people who want to switch from MSO
> ** It can be a good argument for decision makers that it is like
> applications people know.
> ** I assume MS made quite some effort to get the ribbon concept right so
> doing something similar is likely to be a good idea.
>
> All this might be better estimated with a usability test comparing the
> alternatives in depth, but as long as we did not do this, I would
> suggest above reasoning.
>
> Jan
>
> Am 29.03.2018 um 18:23 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
> > On 29.03.2018 18:02, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> >> IMO, the Groupedbar should be the chosen one.
> >> Here are the reasons why I think it is the most suited one:
> >> 1 - *It has a unique look among Office suites
> >> 2 - It's distinctive from the Ribbon UI
> >
> > That was my question. Personally I wouldn't go with the Groupedbar
> because it has no advantage over classic toolbars, there is a lot of
> unclear movement, and I doubt that Benjamin find his way easily through the
> options. Not saying it's bad design.
> >
> > And your reasons are different from the originally discussed idea to
> make it easy to switch from other programs: "It's encouraged to have
> Notebookbars that simulate alternative programs but "crazy" ideas with
> completely new UI approaches are also welcome."
> >
> > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more
> opinions please.
> >
> >
>
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