Martin Konold wrote:

Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2005 20:49 schrieb Jon Walker:

Jon,

resonate with everyone here is that conflict resolution should be done
by a group that DOES NOT contain representatives of the various projects
but rather the beneficiaries i.e. users and ISVs (and/or whoever else is
a beneficiary of the work being done). I think that this produces better
results and also tends to avoid compromises where the right solution
would oppose a particular project's values.

This might well be very much correct though I am honestly afraid that it does not fit into the OSS model of developing software.

The proposed solution may fit optimally for payed sw but not really for volunteer projects. How do you assume that the proposed conflict resolution board made of beneficiaries can demand anything from those doing the actual work.

I don't think they can *demand* anything. It would take the people doing the work to submit to the decisions of the group. I may be suggesting something that is impossible given the number of people that work on the projects we are talking about and the nature of OSS which is that at least some of the developer's are volunteers. Some do get paid by other organizations however. I am curious how many of the key architects of the KDE team for example are paid to do their work? There is another problem with my idea that was mentioned earlier. How do you find beneficiaries not involved in doing the work that have enough knowledge to help guide/resolve disputes. This seems like the bigger problem to me.

My idea isn't something that is unheard of however. When a volunteer organization like Habitat for Humanity puts up a house using volunteer labor they have a plan for the house that is not influenced by any of the volunteers. The volunteers don't go in and say I want the bathroom to be here and just start building it that way. Note also that building a house with a volunteer organization is very rewarding for the volunteers and the beneficiaries. These are just my thoughts so take them with a grain of salt. I certainly understand that I don't have enough (any?) influence over the OSS process to make big changes so I will try to contribute regardless of how it works.

as their may not be enough people outside of the various projects that
care enough to participate in this way. I for one would. Maybe just
working towards this goal is a good thing?

I am very happy and exited about ISVs getting involved in this matter. What about the ISVs and other beneficiaries forming an advisory board. This can be a way of them to voice their needs and opinions and can help to fund part of the effort of gettings things done.
That sounds good. I think the sampling of ISV's at DAM (thanks OSDL) was just a fraction of those really trying to develop software for the Linux desktop. Maybe a BOF at Linux World or some other event would help kick this idea off?

Jon
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