For popup blocking and notifications, I agree with Andreas - the
tradeoff from the user perspective is not right.

Gavin

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:23 AM,  <andreas....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Ehsan Akhgari <ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-03-06 1:14 PM, andreas....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Anne van Kesteren <ann...@annevk.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 6:33 PM,  <andreas....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is the threat model for all of these permissions significant enough to 
>>>>> warrant the breakage?
>>>>
>>>> What breakage do you envision?
>>>
>>> I can no longer unblock popups on sites that use HTTP. The web is a big 
>>> place. It will take a long time for everyone to move.
>>
>> I think Anne is not proposing that.  He's proposing blocking persisting 
>> those permissions.  IOW you would be able to still show popups from these 
>> websites, but you won't be able to ask Firefox to remember your preference.
>
> I know but we will break the persisting. The user will be annoyed that popup 
> unblocking doesn’t work as expected on HTTP sites.
>
> I am all for securing dangerous permissions but popups and notifications 
> seems more like we are wagging our finger at the user in unhelpful ways. Most 
> users will simply think Firefox is broken.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andreas
>
>>
>>>> Having said that:
>>>>
>>>> * Geolocation allow for tracking the user
>>>> * Fullscreen allows for impersonating the OS
>>>> * Pointer Lock allows for spoofing
>>>
>>> The two seem fairly trivial problems. The user will simply stop going to 
>>> the spamming site. I don’t think it makes sense to treat them in the same 
>>> bucket as the above 3.
>>
>> I agree that the above three are more important problems to address, FWIW.
>>
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