Hi Johnathan,

Our lack of direct W3C ARIA involvement recently is mainly due to
time/resource constraints and we have influence via proxy.

I think ARIA is best scoped as passive semantics used to describe the
reality of how web developers (ab)use HTML. It is not unreasonable to argue
that ARIA, by existing, implicitly condones this (ab)use. That said, we
made the decision a long time ago to advocate using proper semantic HTML
(and evolve HTML where it falls short), while accepting the need for a
solution/hack for the reality of what web developers are doing.

The password case is interesting though I've not followed it closely. I'm
happy to connect you with people (including Rich) if needed (feel free ping
me offline)...

Cheers,
D

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Kingston <jkings...@mozilla.com>
wrote:

> <mz...@mozilla.com>
> Hey,
>
> So I was just informed that Mozilla isn't a member of the ARIA working
> group which shocked me, we have however had a hand in the spec over the
> years (I have cc'd those mentioned).
>
> I notice over the years some disappointment with the spec as it being a
> separate module to semantics in HTML itself however I don't see a real
> opposition not to be in the group. This seems more of a formality when the
> group split into two working groups.
>
> It appears that ARIA 1.1 is moving to be resolved in the next few weeks so
> if we had any objections we would need to move now I have been told.
>
> *role="password"* has been added to the spec:
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#password and I jotted
> my objections in a post:
> https://jotter.jonathankingston.co.uk/blog/2016/05/16/role-password-is-not-wise/
>
> My post was largely dismissed in this mail:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016May/0126.html
>
> Is it worth us joining? Can we discuss the wider use of ARIA itself?
> Rushing to standardise features seems a shame.
>
> Thanks
>
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