> > What I think would be helpful if Mozilla does go with this plan, is that, > first, Mozilla sets a definite end date up front for ESR 52 and, second, > that Mozilla has puts out the message as to what and why this is happening. > Setting an end date for support will give everyone a timeline to work with > and kill any hope on those with older machines that they can just keep > holding out one more month for updates that will never come. Having a clear > message will be good for getting everyone on the same page with this > policy. A solid press release to tech news sites to get out the message to > those who provide tech support is a good start. A message on the startup > page after every update stating how many updates are left with ESR 52 and > maybe some helpful information about upgrading might be a good way to help > XP and Vista users on ESR 52.
This is good input. Thanks Keith. I will be writing a blog post and I'll see how crisp we can get with the end of life date as part of that messaging. From there, we do need to figure out messaging to users in various other ways. Peter On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:28 AM, <keithgallis...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 3:22:10 AM UTC-5, Gervase Markham wrote: > > On 24/10/16 18:44, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > This seems to assume facts not in evidence, namely that people will > stop > > > using those > > > machines rather than just living with whatever the last version we > updated > > > them to. > > > > I think you've misread what I said. I said that if it turns out that > > (for example) the entire web moves to require TLS 1.3 final and ESR 52 > > doesn't support it, and as a result these old machines can no longer > > browse the secure web, and therefore people decide they can't use them > > for web surfing any more - that's a feature, not a bug, and it's not > > something we should worry about happening. Same goes for any other > > TLS/cert-related requirement which "breaks" their browsing experience. > > > > Gerv > > I brought up my concern about TLS and digital certificates because I was > worried about users going to access the secure web and suddenly finding it > inaccessible. I was concerned about users being immediately cut off. After > looking at the Wikipedia page on TLS (https://en.wikipedia.org/ > wiki/Transport_Layer_Security), I see that TLS 1.3 is a draft and > probably years away from completion let alone implantation. XP and Vista > users have plenty of time to get a new computer before TLS 1.3 is in use. > As for digital certificates, if Mozilla gives enough security updates to > ESR 52 for XP and Vista users (such as maybe an extra year of support), > then that shouldn't be a problem. > > > What I would like to hear from Mozilla with regards to moving XP and Vista > users on to ESR 52, is if Mozilla really is going to take this action this > time? I've always thought that this was a great use of the ESR as a way to > wind down an OS that is about to be unsupported. It's just that Mozilla has > never done this plan specifically before. > > > What I think would be helpful if Mozilla does go with this plan, is that, > first, Mozilla sets a definite end date up front for ESR 52 and, second, > that Mozilla has puts out the message as to what and why this is happening. > Setting an end date for support will give everyone a timeline to work with > and kill any hope on those with older machines that they can just keep > holding out one more month for updates that will never come. Having a clear > message will be good for getting everyone on the same page with this > policy. A solid press release to tech news sites to get out the message to > those who provide tech support is a good start. A message on the startup > page after every update stating how many updates are left with ESR 52 and > maybe some helpful information about upgrading might be a good way to help > XP and Vista users on ESR 52. > _______________________________________________ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
