On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Alex Gaynor <agay...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Hi Wayne,
>
> After some time thinking about it, I struggled to articulate what the
> right rules for inclusion were.
>
> Yes, that is the challenge.

So I decided to approach this from a different perspective: which is that I
> think we should design our other policies and requirements for CAs around
> what we'd expect for organizations operating towards a goal of securing the
> Internet as a global public resource.
>
> Towards that goal we should continue to focus on things like transparency
> (how this list is run, visibility of audit statements, certificate
> transparency) and driving technical improvements to the WebPKI (shorter
> certificate lifespans, fewer allowances for non-compliant certificates or
> use of deprecated formats and cryptography). If organizations wish to hold
> themselves to these (presumably higher) standards for what could equally
> well be a private PKI, I don't see that as a problem. On the flip side, we
> should not delay improvements because CAs with limited impact on the public
> internet struggle with compliance.
>
> Can we separate the ongoing work we need to do to improve the ecosystem
from a decision on root inclusion criteria? Or are you saying that we need
to set new requirements like these as a condition for changing the root
inclusion criteria?

In summary, I think we should focus less on the questions of whether a CA
> is "appropriate" or "deserving" of participation in the Mozilla Root
> Program, and more on whether they are willing and able to fulfill the
> expectations of them as a steward of global trust on the internet. This has
> the nice benefit of aligning well with Mozilla's mission to ensure the
> internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all.
>
> With this approach we would welcome any CA that can meet the program's
requirements, regardless of the intended use of their certificates.
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