This is a simple task. I did not think it would be a big deal. Those gitbox messages on the list are noise. (Everyone just filters them out). I don’t see a point in keeping them on dev list. I can filter them out. But that doesn’t make it easy on non committees looking at our list.
I updated the JiRA accordingly. I think the name is sensible enough. If you ok with everything we can move ahead. On that case update the JIRA. If not please let Me know. On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robbie Gemmell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hah, I actually overlooked that you updated the JIRA to suggest > specifically "activemq-gitbox". I'm assuming that means a suggested > email address of [email protected]? > > Robbie > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 12:44, Robbie Gemmell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I think we should stop asking infra to do things before they have been > > fully set out/agreed. If I was infra then now you have updated the > > JIRA my next question would be: what is this new list called? Followed > > by, why didnt we create it already using https://selfserve.apache.org? > > > > Personally, I would just re-use "issues@" given PR comments do seem > > like issues traffic, and I think we have enough lists. > > > > If enough folks think we should use a new list though, it would be > > good to agree a name (which could be done via a simple lazy consensus > > statement), then we can create it, and then we can ask infra to update > > things to use it. > > > > Robbie > > > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 12:03, Clebert Suconic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Lazy consensus was for the overal move. I didn't think on the list > > > name (I thought it was ok on just moving it there) > > > > > > I will change the JIRA to be on its own list. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 5:24 AM Robbie Gemmell < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Invoking Lazy Consensus normally involves giving people a clear > period > > > > to agree/disagree with your intended action before you initiate it. > > > > This mail thread had obviously been around for a number of days, but > > > > discussing 'should we do this?' isn't quite the same thing as > > > > discussing 'I'm doing this tomorrow unless further discussion > suggests > > > > otherwise'. You shouldnt have to 'assume consensus'. Some of the > > > > details weren't at all concrete, in particular noone really properly > > > > discussed the destination list: 'new list' or 'separate list' was the > > > > terminology you used throughout the thread and commits@ was only > > > > mentioned as a 'for instance' by JB once mid-thread. > > > > > > > > I'm -1 on using "commits@" personally, I dont think comments on PRs > > > > belong on that list. There is also an "issues@" already where the > JIRA > > > > traffic was moved previously and between those two lists I'd say that > > > > makes a far better destination, if it isn't to be a completely new > > > > list. > > > > > > > > If folks mostly think using commits@ is great, so be it, but we > should > > > > actually discuss that. I have posted on the JIRA to ask that Infra to > > > > hold off moving things while we do so. > > > > > > > > I'm -0 on the overall move as I too think the messages are fine where > > > > they are and are easily filterable, but I do admit the same applies > in > > > > reverse; if we move them I'll typically just filter them back into > the > > > > same place they were going originally. > > > > > > > > Robbie > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 16:01, Clebert Suconic < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm assuming consensus and I'm asking infra to move the gitbox > > > > > messages to the commit message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Clebert Suconic > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong. I can do with filters personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just think this could be more friendly for new people joining > in. Like Ryan yeats who just posted his opinion (as if someone just > joining) > > > > > > > > > > > > What about this. We could ask Infra to move GitHub messages to > a new list. > > > > > > > > > > > > I already follow GitHub messages on my email directly anyways. > > > > > > > > > > > > If people want those they can subscribe to the new list. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 9:21 AM michael.andre.pearce < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I am also +0 on this. I find email filters more than adequate, > and avoid me having to maintain several mail group subscriptions, it will > all come to one mailbox anyhow.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > >> -------- Original message --------From: Clebert Suconic < > [email protected]> Date: 15/02/2019 22:39 (GMT+00:00) To: > [email protected] Subject: Re: [Discuss] automated github messages > on a separate list The thing is. I can do fine with filtering. So in a > way I’m doing thisbased on a feedback of someone else.So I am putting > myself in the shoes of someone coming on board now. Justtrying to make it > easy for new people.On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 6:58 AM Christopher Shannon < > [email protected]> wrote:> I am +0 on this because either > way is fine with me as it's really easy to> do mail filters on either > addresses or on subject tags.>> There is a ton of Github traffic right now > obviously so to make it> manageable I have filters and labels setup on my > gmail account so that> GitHub related messages get tagged with one label > and everything else is a> different one which solves the issue. I imagine > most email providers have> something similar.>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at > 3:20 AM Clebert Suconic <[email protected]> >> wrote:>> > People > are probably missing this discussion because of that noise.> >> > On Fri, > Feb 15, 2019 at 7:47 AM Otavio Piske <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > > Sharing my perspective as someone who also would like to contribute> more> > > > often: I think that it be good.> > >> > > I think that the Github > messages create a lot of noise in the mailbox.> It> > > requires constant > cleaning/filtering and it is easy to miss discussions> > > about subjects > that interest me and for which I would like to help.> > >> > > On Fri, Feb > 15, 2019 at 12:43 AM Clebert Suconic <> > > [email protected]>> > > > wrote:> > >> > > > I work on this dev list on my daily basis. We had > some members here> > > > suggesting doing this in the past and we decided > to let just people> to> > > > filter out stuff with filters. Etc.> > > >> > > > > But this doesn’t make easy to recruit new open source devs.> > > >> > > > > I just heard from a guy who only subscribed users list because there> > is> > > too> > > > much traffic.> > > >> > > > Github is easy enough to > follow. So I propose we move GitHub> comments> > > to a> > > > separate > list.> > > >> > > >> > > > We could leave this list for more generic and > important discussions.> > > Such> > > > as the web site. Architectural > decisions. Releases. And eventually> > even> > > > codes but without the > clutter of github.> > > > --> > > > Clebert Suconic> > > >> > >> > >> > > > --> > > Kind regards> > >> > --> > Clebert Suconic> >>-- Clebert Suconic > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Clebert Suconic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Clebert Suconic > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Clebert Suconic > -- Clebert Suconic
