Agree on keeping those separate, just intervened as I believe its a great
idea. But lets keep @beam and @spark to a separate thread.


Gerard Casas Saez
Twitter | Cortex | @casassaez <http://twitter.com/casassaez>


On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:14 PM Tomasz Urbaszek <[email protected]> wrote:

> Daniel is right we have few Apache Beam committers in Polidea so we
> will ask for advice. However, I would be highly in favor of having it
> as Gerard suggested as @beam decorator. This is something we should
> put into another AIP together with the mentioned @spark decorator.
>
> Our proposition of transfer operators was mainly to create something
> Airflow-native that works out of the box and allows us to simplify
> read/write from external sources. Thus, it requires no external
> dependency other than the library to communicate with the API. In the
> case of Beam we need more than that I think.
>
> Additionally, the ideas of Source and Destination play nicely with
> data lineage and may bring more interest to this feature of Airflow.
>
> Cheers,
> Tomek
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 9:31 PM Kaxil Naik <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Nice. Just a note here, we will need to make sure that those "Source" and
> > "Destination" needs to be serializable.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 20:00 Daniel Imberman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting! Beam also could potentially allow transfers within
> Dask/any
> > > other system with a java/python SDK? I think @jarek and Polidea do a
> lot of
> > > work with Beam as well so I’d love their thoughts if this a good
> use-case.
> > >
> > > via Newton Mail [
> > >
> https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=dx&cv=10.0.50&pv=10.15.6&source=email_footer_2
> > > ]
> > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:46 AM, Gerard Casas Saez <
> [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > I would be highly in favour of having a generic Beam operator. Similar
> > > to @spark_task decorator. Something where you can easily define and
> wrap a
> > > beam pipeline and convert it to an Airflow operator.
> > >
> > > Gerard Casas Saez
> > > Twitter | Cortex | @casassaez <http://twitter.com/casassaez>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:44 PM Austin Bennett <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are you guys familiar with Beam <https://beam.apache.org>? Esp. if
> not
> > > > doing transforms, it might rather straightforward to rely on the
> > > ecosystem
> > > > of connectors in that Apache Project to use as the foundations for a
> > > > generic transfer operator.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM Jarek Potiuk <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 1:35 PM Kamil Olszewski <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > since there have been no new comments shared in the POC doc
> > > > > > <
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o7Ph7RRNqLWkTbe7xkWjb100eFaK1Apjv27LaqHgNkE/edit
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > for a couple of days, then I will proceed with creating an AIP
> for
> > > this
> > > > > > feature, if that is ok with everybody.
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Kamil
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:50 AM Tomasz Urbaszek <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like the approach as it itnroduces another interesting
> operators'
> > > > > > > interface standarization. It would be awesome to here more
> opinions
> > > > :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Tomek
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 8:10 PM Jarek Potiuk <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like the idea a lot. Similar things have been discussed
> before
> > > > but
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > proposal is I think rather pragmatic and solves a real
> problem
> > > (and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not seem to be too complex to implement)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is some discussion about it already in the document
> (please
> > > > > > > chime-in
> > > > > > > > for those interested) but here a few points why I like it:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - performance and optimization is not a focus for that. For
> > > generic
> > > > > > stuff
> > > > > > > > it is usually to write "optimal" solution but once you admit
> you
> > > > are
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > going to focus for optimisation, you come with simpler and
> easier
> > > > to
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > solutions
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - on the other hand - it uses very "Python'y" approach with
> using
> > > > > > > > Airflow's familiar concepts (connection, transfer) and has
> the
> > > > > > potential
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > plugging in into 100s of hooks we have already easily -
> > > leveraging
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > "providers" richness of Airflow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - it aims to be easy to do "quick start" - if you have a
> number
> > > of
> > > > > > > > different sources/targets and as a data scientist you would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > > > quickly
> > > > > > > > start transferring data between them - you can do it easily
> with
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > basic python knowledge and simple DAG structure.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - it should be possible to plug it in into our new functional
> > > > > approach
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > well as future lineage discussions as it makes connection
> between
> > > > > > sources
> > > > > > > > and targets
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - it opens up possibilities of adding simple and flexible
> data
> > > > > > > > transformation on-transfer. Not a replacement for any of the
> > > > external
> > > > > > > > services that Airflow should use (Airflow is an
> orchestrator, not
> > > > > data
> > > > > > > > processing solution) but for the kind of quick-start
> scenarios I
> > > > > > foresee
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > might be most useful, being able to apply simple data
> > > > transformation
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > fly by data scientist might be a big plus.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Suggestion: Panda DataFrame as the format of the "data"
> component
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kamil - you should have access now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:53 PM Kamil Olszewski <
> > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > > > > in Polidea we have come up with an idea for a generic
> transfer
> > > > > > operator
> > > > > > > > > that would be able to transport data between two
> destinations
> > > of
> > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > types (file, database, storage, etc.) - please find the
> link
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > short
> > > > > > > > > doc with POC
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o7Ph7RRNqLWkTbe7xkWjb100eFaK1Apjv27LaqHgNkE/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > where we can discuss the design initially. Once we come to
> the
> > > > > > initial
> > > > > > > > > conclusion I can create an AIP on cWiki - can I ask for
> > > > permission
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > (my id is 'kamil.olszewski')? I believe that during the
> > > > discussion
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > should definitely aim for this feature to be released only
> > > after
> > > > > > > Airflow
> > > > > > > > > 2.0 is out.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What do you think about this idea? Would you find such an
> > > > operator
> > > > > > > > helpful
> > > > > > > > > in your pipelines? Maybe you already use a similar
> solution or
> > > > know
> > > > > > > > > packages that could be used to implement it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kamil Olszewski
> > > > > > > > > Polidea <https://www.polidea.com> | Software Engineer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > M: +48 503 361 783
> > > > > > > > > E: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unique Tech
> > > > > > > > > Check out our projects! <https://www.polidea.com/our-work>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jarek Potiuk
> > > > > > > > Polidea <https://www.polidea.com/> | Principal Software
> Engineer
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > M: +48 660 796 129 <+48660796129>
> > > > > > > > [image: Polidea] <https://www.polidea.com/>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kamil Olszewski
> > > > > > Polidea <https://www.polidea.com> | Software Engineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M: +48 503 361 783
> > > > > > E: [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unique Tech
> > > > > > Check out our projects! <https://www.polidea.com/our-work>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Jarek Potiuk
> > > > > Polidea <https://www.polidea.com/> | Principal Software Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > M: +48 660 796 129 <+48660796129>
> > > > > [image: Polidea] <https://www.polidea.com/>
> > > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Tomasz Urbaszek
> Polidea | Software Engineer
>
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