If all you want is to be notified when a file changes -- you can use
https://app.github-file-watcher.com/. That won't notify you for PRs, but
can be notified when file is merged so you can correct/question things
after that.

PS: I haven't tried that link

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 17:10, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Too bad :( - so we have to come up with our own solution it seems
>
> > I have an update from both teams, and they've confirmed this is an error
> in the documentation. We do still require write permissions for code
> owners. The docs should be corrected soon.
> > We still have an internal issue open for this feature request (read-only
> codeowners), and if this is something we support in the future, we'll be
> sure to include that in the Changelog.
> > Please let me know if you have any further questions.
> > Thanks,
> > Anna
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:31 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I like your definition of "stewardship" in this case and I think it's in
>> line with what I had in mind.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2022 11:34 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Code ownership over the provider's source code
>>
>>
>> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
>> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
>> know the content is safe.
>>
>> Let's see how it plays out with GitHub. If this does not work, we could
>> potentially extend boring cyborg to add some notifications or do something
>> similar.
>> I think until we get the answer (hopefully that it works) we should
>> really discuss and decide as a  community how we approach providers we have
>> in the community and especially the "governance vs. stewardship".
>>
>> I think (see the other discussions) we are rather close to think about
>> some kind of separation of providers from core - on a repository level. I
>> think it's inevitable (and the time is ripe for it).
>>
>> But I do not yet want to start discussion on the "mechanics" of it before
>> we solve some "governance vs. stewardship" approach and what we want to
>> achieve and why. The technical decisions should follow.
>>
>> From the discussion I see - so far from people at Amazon, Google who are
>> involved we need some way to help the stakeholders to manage code for
>> "their" services (on top of ASF expectations for code contributions and
>> decision making)
>>
>> * those "stakeholder" relevant people would like to get notified when
>> there are relevant changes for their provider
>> * they want to have a possibility to comment and state
>> their preference/opinion/ideas on the changes (to make sure they are in
>> line with the "stakeholder" strategy for services)
>> * they cannot get more "rights" in the providers than others (unless they
>> are committers which gives them same rights as other committers)
>> * also they want to be able to help others who contribute to the provider
>> (hence becoming reviewer automatically makes sense) - this might be
>> actually a good road to becoming a committer (help others to contribute by
>> doing reviews).
>> * possibly they could commit some rules (in the form of pre-commit checks
>> or some guidelines if they want to get some more consistency - specific for
>> "their" provider)
>>
>> I think this is really what I'd call "stewardship" over parts of the
>> code. And CODEOWNERS for me is really a bad name - it should really be
>> CODESTEWARDS.
>>
>> Personally (but this is my opinion only) is that while Airflow Community
>> (and formally the PMC/committers) must keep the "governance" of providers,
>> it should be possible to more or less formally delegate "stewardship" in
>> this case. Not to give them more formal "rights" but make them more
>> "involved" with the part of the code.
>>
>> Happy to hear other comments here - maybe there are different
>> perspectives on the 'governance" of those.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:05 PM Oliveira, Niko
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> > BTW. Seems that there is a problem that you STILL need write access
>>> to be CODEOWNER (despite the updated documentation :) )
>>>
>>> Sad, I was also very excited about this. It would make the workflow of
>>> keeping an eye on changes to code we "own" much easier. Fingers crossed
>>> it's a feature coming soon!
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2022 3:39 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Code ownership over the provider's source code
>>>
>>>
>>> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
>>> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
>>> know the content is safe.
>>>
>>> BTW. Seems that there is a problem that you STILL need write access to
>>> be CODEOWNER (despite the updated documentation :) )
>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/22903
>>>
>>> I hope it's just "future documentation" :)  and this feature is being
>>> released now (or maybe just the error message is outdated) ....
>>>
>>> I raised a support ticket for that to GitHub (you can't see it - but I
>>> put Elad and Bartłomiej on CC:)
>>> https://support.github.com/ticket/personal/0/1581140
>>>
>>> Let's see!
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 12:29 PM Bartłomiej Hirsz <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, you worded it perfectly - I don't intend to be the owner of the
>>>> code (and in any way gatekeeping it) but merely improve how we're
>>>> notifying on code changes (or assigning to code review). I listed my PR as
>>>> an example but it was a question in general - where I see that there could
>>>> be people interested to see that particular code is about to be changed by
>>>> PR and would be easy to miss in big projects without automation such as
>>>> codeowner file. In that particular case I would just point to the new AIP
>>>> and help to migrate the PR (and I wouldn't be able to vetoed if of course,
>>>> just provide review + help with comments). I love that part of OSS where
>>>> others contribute to the code and we're all owners of it in a broad sense
>>>> so I don't want to lose it :)
>>>>
>>>> pon., 11 kwi 2022 o 12:20 Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> napisał(a):
>>>>
>>>>> I think you are both right and both wrong - Elad and Bartłomiej :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Elad is quite right when it comes to "gating" changes. You might get
>>>>> notified about a change and raise your concerns but the nature of ASF
>>>>> project is simple - committers decide whether a change is ready. Any
>>>>> commiter  (and commiter only) can veto a code change if it is justified (
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification).
>>>>>
>>>>> The non-committer cannot veto a change. So you cannot (and will not
>>>>> have) decide on what can be merged or not if you are not a commiter. This
>>>>> is what commiter status gives - and it gives it for all code in the whole
>>>>> Apache project (and it cannot be - by definition only for parts of the
>>>>> code). There are no (and will never be) partial committers or "less
>>>>> access committers" for an Apache project. I am quite certain of it (as I
>>>>> discussed this very thing at the OSS Backstage in Berlin with a few ASF
>>>>> old-timers). So comitter is "all-or-nothing".
>>>>>
>>>>> However there is absolutely nothing wrong (and this is even
>>>>> encouraged) that non-committers review and provide opinions and helpful
>>>>> comments and raise concerns. But - and I believe this is what Bartek asked
>>>>> for -  they have to be notified somehow about the change for relevant 
>>>>> parts
>>>>> of the code they are interested in. I can imagine tracking "all changes" 
>>>>> is
>>>>> impossible so having a nice tool to do it automatically is great.
>>>>>
>>>>> But also Bartłomiej - you are wrong that you have to wait for the code
>>>>> owner. Even being in CODEOWNER does not imply it. We don't do it even now
>>>>> when we have committers being CODEOWNERS - we do not wait for those
>>>>> CODEOWNERS who are defined for parts of the code when we merge stuff - not
>>>>> even for the core. Sometimes we reach out when we need someones opinion 
>>>>> (if
>>>>> we know that this person is more knowledgeable in this area, but it's
>>>>> rarely is a "blocking" call.
>>>>>  The ONLY real gate for merging the code is any committer's approval.
>>>>> We have a rule that two committers need to agree on "core" change
>>>>> additionally (but this is more of a gentleman's agreement, rather than
>>>>> enforced rule so far). And I think we cannot and should not change it. It
>>>>> would be nice to wait for an opinion from someone who is CODEOWNER, but
>>>>> this is just "nice to have". By the rules of ASF if you are not a
>>>>> committer, you cannot decide for the code to be merged nor veto it. You 
>>>>> can
>>>>> give advice and have opinions and concerns but you cannot decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> And CODEOWNERS as of recently seems to allow that and make
>>>>> non-committers CODEOWNERS (which I really like actually). I think the name
>>>>> is a little misleading. CODEOWNER does not give you more rights when it
>>>>> comes to make code ready to be merged, or having a veto. It's merely "you
>>>>> are by default assigned to be a reviewer of that code". It does not mean
>>>>> (contrary to the name) that you are OWNER of that code. It means that you
>>>>> are a stakeholder who is automatically added as reviewer. That's it. No
>>>>> more, no less. And I think this is what you - Bartłomiej really want.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW. If we want to 'enforce" some rules, then we can add an automated
>>>>> pre-commit for that. This is what we do all the time. And once committers
>>>>> approve this pre-commit it becomes a "rule" really. So if we want to have
>>>>> some "let's never do this and that in a certain part of the code" - adding
>>>>> pre-commit is the way to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:34 AM Bartłomiej Hirsz <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Committers can merge PRs as they see fit. We don't have to wait for
>>>>>> a specific code owner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must disagree with you. I know how open source projects works (I'm
>>>>>> the maintainer of some) but in Airflow the problem is different. We have
>>>>>> multiple providers that are responsible for their code but we're allowing
>>>>>> anyone with contribution access to accept changes without notifying the
>>>>>> code owners. It often happened that some provider introduced a major 
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> in operators (and updated existing code) but then someone raised new PR
>>>>>> with some changes, without this major change and it was merged without
>>>>>> notifying given provider. It will be resolved if we move to separate
>>>>>> repositories but for now we need to solve this issue in another way. See
>>>>>> answer from Jarek to see if it's actually possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my exact case we introduced a new way of writing system tests,
>>>>>> I've raised the PR migrating X test to new design and after my PR (which 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> still open) there was another PR that also modified the same file but 
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> old design (which was merged - I see it's because the person raising and
>>>>>> approving are from the same company, which helped to fasten the process).
>>>>>> It's not the matter of simple rebase - the other PR shouldn't be approved
>>>>>> since it's not up to our (current) community standards. And it wouldn't 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> approved if we were notified about this - we're responsible for our tests
>>>>>> but our tests were modified without informing us. So I agree that
>>>>>> "Commiters can merge PRs when they see fit" but I think in a repository
>>>>>> that big as Airflow we need to at least make sure that people who know 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> given code the best (for example provider) are notified of proposed 
>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pon., 11 kwi 2022 o 10:46 Elad Kalif <[email protected]> napisał(a):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Bartłomiej,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to the nature of the project multiple authors can work on the
>>>>>>> same files and not even know one to another.
>>>>>>> GitHub doesn't offer a feature to let the PR author know that there
>>>>>>> are other open PRs requesting to change the same file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general this is not "Priority to who opens first". It's "Priority
>>>>>>> for what is ready".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel your frustration. We all have been there.
>>>>>>> We all had to rebase and resolve conflicts caused by other PRs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think being a code owner is the solution here.
>>>>>>> Committers can merge PRs as they see fit. We don't have to wait for
>>>>>>> a specific code owner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:41 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a very good point :) and has surprising (at least to me)
>>>>>>>> answer:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have two mechanisms now:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Labels by Boring Cyborg (not very helpful as you cannot
>>>>>>>> selectively subscribe to a label):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/main/.github/boring-cyborg.yml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CODEOWNERS feature (this one is precisely what you want, because
>>>>>>>> you are marked as reviewer and notified as CODEOWNER):
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/main/.github/CODEOWNERS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem with CODEOWNERS is (or rather was(!) ) that you could
>>>>>>>> only add maintainers as CODEOWNERS. Up until recently the CODEOWNER
>>>>>>>> documentation stated this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The people you choose as code owners must have write permissions
>>>>>>>> for the repository. When the code owner is a team, that team must have
>>>>>>>> write permissions, even if all the individual members of the team 
>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>> have write permissions directly, through organization membership, or
>>>>>>>> through another team membership.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However it seems that GitHub silently changed it :) and now it's a
>>>>>>>> bit different:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Users must have *read* access to the repository and teams must
>>>>>>>> have explicit write access, even if the team’s members already have 
>>>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>>> You can also refer to a user by an email address that has been added to
>>>>>>>> their account on GitHub.com, for example [email protected].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So - seems you can become a CODEOWNER even if you are not a
>>>>>>>> maintainer!!!! YAY!. Something we really wanted to add for providers 
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> long time!
>>>>>>>> I think you can achieve PRECISELY what you want - just make a PR to
>>>>>>>> CODEOWNERS and add yourself to all Google Provider paths and we can 
>>>>>>>> test it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:07 AM Bartłomiej Hirsz <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do we have any mechanism in Airflow to be notified on PRs touching
>>>>>>>>> provider code hosted in the Airflow repository? I think that's not 
>>>>>>>>> the case
>>>>>>>>> - and it's related to recent discussions about providers in the core
>>>>>>>>> repository (on dev list). I've had some problems in the past where I
>>>>>>>>> discovered that there were PRs that changed behaviour of our provider 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> it would be useful to be noticed on such PRs.
>>>>>>>>> For example I've raised PR migrating Google GCS system tests to
>>>>>>>>> new design:
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/22778 (5 days ago)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then someone raised PR extending the same files, but using old
>>>>>>>>> design:
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/22808 (4 days ago)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The latter is already merged - now causing headache if it comes to
>>>>>>>>> properly merging the changes. It could be avoided if there would be a 
>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>> owner set per files. Is it possible in Airflow? I know there is an
>>>>>>>>> ownership file but previously only commiters (people with write 
>>>>>>>>> access)
>>>>>>>>> could be added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Bartłomiej Hirsz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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